time sig help in concordance with progressive

Um, how about if you add up time sigs like:

mrcozdude wrote: Again nice explanation cob^. Just interested cjgone are you trying to learn to read music?

Lol I didn't want to say anything, but I have like 3 weeks of instrumental experience. :P I can only do 4/4 but I listen to mostly progressive and tech death so I don't want to constrain my knowledge by only using 4/4. :)

cobb2 wrote: Triplets are three notes played in the same time it would take to play two. You can write a triplet of three eighth notes (they must have a number 3 placed over the top of the joined tails). In a 4 (beat equals a quarter note) based time signature these would be played in the same time it would take to play two normal eighth notes. A simple count trick is to count eighth notes as 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 and triplets as 1 e & 2 e & 3 e & 4 e &. Triplets are more difficult to play because you need to play them quicker and the three grouping in the beats will be more difficult to keep the time. It gets particularly tricky when you have triplets grouped with normal notes

Edited by cjgone - October 18 2009 at 16:42

Triplets are three notes played in the same time it would take to play two. You can write a triplet of three eighth notes (they must have a number 3 placed over the top of the joined tails). In a 4 (beat equals a quarter note) based time signature these would be played in the same time it would take to play two normal eighth notes. A simple count trick is to count eighth notes as 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 and triplets as 1 e & 2 e & 3 e & 4 e &. Triplets are more difficult to play because you need to play them quicker and the three grouping in the beats will be more difficult to keep the time. It gets particularly tricky when you have triplets grouped with normal notes

Yes- you can write with any notes as long as the total adds up to three quarter notes per measure. This doesn't change the beat value. My examples were extremely simple- just keep an understanding that a measure 3/4  is counted one two three and the counts are placed on the quarter beat. If you write with eighth notes this doesn't change it to 6/8. Your eighth notes when written down will be grouped in twos as 3 groups of 2 eighths ie. 3 beats. Same goes for sixteenths or thirtyseconds or smaller- just remember they must be grouped (join the tails) to the value of a quarter note to keep the implied beat structure. The combinations of notes can be as varied as you want- they just cannot be more or less than 3 quarter notes per measure when added together

Edited by cobb2 - October 17 2009 at 22:19

It's more to with tempo.3 quarter notes is different to 6 eighth notes.Eighth notes are play twice as fast then quarter etc.

Like I said stick with Cobbs,explaining on the internet can only confuse you more.

Wish I could think of some songs as examples.

cjgone wrote: Otherwise I think your just trying to find different methods to count common time? I wanna play progressive <3 but I don't know how I would use 3/4 vs 6/8 and stuff. It's all new to me. If there's no accenting whats the point of 6/8 vs 3/4 then?    Is there any like prog metal song that emphasizes the stressings if they're used? I was trying to see if I could tell the time sigs in Schism and Vicarious by Tool, but i'm not sure whether the accenting was just for the drumming or also for the guitaring.

Cobb's explanation is good and more to your point.My point is you don't have to stress anything if your playing in 3 or 4,there isn't just one technique to play it.I don't understand why you have to stress anything.6/8 is 6 beats in a eighth note pattern as 3 is in a quarter note pattern.It is a difference but what ever makes it easier for you count in 3 or 6.

cobb2 wrote: cjgone wrote: Otherwise I think your just trying to find different methods to count common time? I wanna play progressive <3 but I don't know how I would use 3/4 vs 6/8 and stuff. It's all new to me. If there's no accenting whats the point of 6/8 vs 3/4 then?    Is there any like prog metal song that emphasizes the stressings if they're used? I was trying to see if I could tell the time sigs in Schism and Vicarious by Tool, but i'm not sure whether the accenting was just for the drumming or also for the guitaring. It's how you write it that is the point- the music itself should achieve the stressing. Let me go back to the simple example of 3/4- three melody notes, one bass (harmony) note at beat one- so the bass together with the melody accent beat one. Simple 6/8 (don't confuse this with simple time, as 6/8 is compound time, meaning two beats of a dotted quarter) would have 6 melody notes- eighths grouped in two groups of three to signify the beat count. Two bass notes on count 1 and 4, to accent the beats. As I said before beat stresses are implied in the music and the length of notes must be accurately applied when playing to achieve the rythme. The only type of stress a player needs to worry about and physically play louder are stress accents (>) placed above a note (not forgetting crescendo and diminuendo markings). Stress accents are there to change the beat pattern with the flavour of an off-beat accent (syncopation). addition: if you are truly interested you should get a good beginners book for classical guitar playing. I can recommend Frederick Noad's Solo Guitar Playing Book 1.

Ahhh... wait you can just stress a beat by playing a bass note at the same time? O_OOO

If there's no accenting whats the point of 6/8 vs 3/4 then? 

Edited by cjgone - October 14 2009 at 20:32

cjgone wrote: So, i'm learning guitaring and i'm interested in time sigs associated with prog.   I know some stuff about time sigs like 3/4 with 8th notes is grouped like   1 2 | 1 2 | 1 2   and 6/8  is like   1 2 3 | 1 2 3   There's supposed to be beat stressing on the notes.. Is that implied? Like when i'm playing 3/4 is it assumed without accents that the 1rst beat of every double is stressed? How do I know?   And like 6/8 vs 3/4, is it assumed to stress the first beat of each triplet?   How as the music player do I know what to accent when it's not like specified?   And do you just play the note louder or quieter with stressing? It sounds a bit easy, but like it's really hard for me.. I have to like memorize the stressings to play it and stuff. Makes my head hurt!

You don't need to accent anything unless the music mentions staccato.

 Otherwise I think your just trying to find different methods to count common time?

Some people told me that with electric guitar distortion, you probably can't even hear note accenting.. I only have an acoustic.. is that true? =X