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    Posted: September 29 2009 at 10:08

 

 

After the Beatles, British groups were finally able to have impact over here in America. And lets face facts, if the Who or Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin didn’t have the Beatles to come before them, would they have been as widely accepted by this country?  The Beatles were not like Traffic, The Doors, Cream and Jimmie Hendrix. They were not blues artists. The Beatles ability to incorporate exotic sources into a pop song was what they excelled at. This proved to be hugely influential to music in general.

 

A song that is not popular like “Think For Yourself” is innovative as uses layering of fuzz bass and regular bass right up-front as the same function as if you would use electric guitar and rhythm guitar in a rock song. Listen to a track like “I’m Only Sleeping” instead of regular guitar leads they use backward guitar leads. They recorded their guitars and vocals using Automatic Double Tracking. The Beatles recorded vocals and guitar backwards, creating volume swells by the use of harmonics example "Yes It Is" and coaxing feedback from other instruments like piano. On “Tomorrow Never Knows” you have McCartney instead of using the regular way creating sounds from rock instruments, created a soundscape from loops and samples. Now yeah this was done in musique concrete but not really in rock music.

The Beatles “The Word” Definitely a forerunner to psychedelia that The Thirteenth Floor Elevators liked it enough to play it in their live sets during 1966.

 Another thing we can be thankful for is that these guys brought Avante-Garde music to mainstream.



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This sounds like a fantastic project although incredibly time consuming. I applaud your efforts.

I do not pretend to be much a music historian, but weren't The Beatles one of the first bands to use orchestrations, as well as back masking. At least for the strings part, this seems to be a stepping stone towards the full orchestrations done by the Moody Blues and of course quite a few people consider Days of Future Passed to be the first prog album.

The guys over at Pandora have done a lot of work analyzing songs and their supposed genome and this might be a helpful way to analyze each Beatle song as well. www.pandora.com

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I'm beginning a systematic review of albums starting with the late 60s and moving forward...one thing I've noticed in songs by the Beatles are some forms and phrases that might turn out to be common in later prog.  But since I don't know music in general I can't say if this is exclusive to The Beatles and prog...
 
One form is the two different melodies alternating with contrasting moods and tempos.  The Beatles used this in "Strawberry Fields Forever" and in "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds".  So far I've seen this in "Back to the Family" by Jethro Tull, but I expect I will see it more as I continue my reviews (which have just barely escaped the era of the Beatles).
 
Also, I noticed how The Beatles used the instrumental coda and then moved this either into the middle of the song or also to the middle of the song.  Examples include again "Strawberry Fields Forever", "I Am The Walrus", "Hello Goodbye", "All You Need Is Love" and "Here Comes the Sun" moves this instrumental coda to the middle.  Now I'm sure I'm going to spot tons of these but already I see that Chicago does a brilliant one in "Beginnings", but I believe this is also the case in the classic "Starship Trooper" (although whether you see "Wurm" as a coda or a third movement may be debatable).  Now the Beatles could never take this instrumental coda very far but the basic emotional impact it has on the song is there only amplified tenfold by the good progressive rock song.
 
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A number of Radiohead songs are influenced strongly by the Beatles. "Karma Police takes from "Sexy Sadie, "Hail to the Theif" takes from "I Want You She So Heavy, and "Paraniod Andriod" takes from "Happiness is a Warm Gun". King Crimson "Tomorrow Never Knew Thela" obviously takes from "Tomorrow Never Knows".   
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Porcupine Tree delivered an excellent example of beatleprog on The Incident: Remember Me Lover bears clear similarities with I Want You (She's So Heavy). Even until the last abrupt ending of the song.
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Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

Originally posted by Darklord55 Darklord55 wrote:

You'll probably think I'm crazy but who cares.  Opeth's Master's Apprentices at about the 6:00 minute mark through about 7:46.  The solo singing and harmonies sound very Beatlesque to me.  I have played this for a few of my friends who agreed.  The first time it hit me, I was watching the Lamentations DVD.   Wacko?


Well, i kind of agree Smile
I really like that song! Kind of a shame that such a beautiful song should have such a brutal intro. But it's the dynamics that makes opeth i guess.


bingo.... and no shame.. the song wouldn't have been half as good if it was simply brutal... or even beautiful.  It is the contrast that makes the song interesting..

I'll go a step further and say that it is dynamics that separates the good from the ... hoohum.

Any swinging dick can play it fast and heavy... practice enough and you can do with a high degree of technicality...  a good musician is not just technically proficient... but has a sense of compositional proficiency.  Use of dark and light as Prince once said...  it is those dynamics which often make music 'interesting' to listen to.   In a nutshell.. if I had to express why I love Opeth.. and loath DT.  That is why... Opeth is simply interesting to listen to...DT... heard one... heard them all.  It simply isn't interesting.
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Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this discussion. In developing a reasonable playlist I often get in over my head and I always appreciate the feedback of all you fine folks. The Beatleprog show that we put together can be found here: www.thedividingline.com/ss I was not able to hit all of the suggestions, and I may have flubbed once or twice but for the most part I feel the setlist came together quite nicely. I am posting the setlist here for anyone who wants to take a look. My deepest thanks to you all.

After some incredible discussion through the Dividingline mailing list and over at Prog Archives, we got togeher a group of the most beatle inspired prog that we could find. Regardless of whether or not you call the fab four prog, proto prog, experimental pop, or psychedelic you will see that they had a huge influence on the progressive world. Even our short flash in the pan set cannot do justice to pointing out the effect of the Beatles on progressive rock, but it was a great deal of fun to put together and to listen to. We also have tucked inside of this episode new music from Phish, Paris Keeling, and Shadowland as well as a tribute to our Dragon experience featuring the one and only C.S. Brown as well as George Hrab.

Next week we will spin the tale of progfolk. Prog is so huge it has a great many subsets and we here at Soundscape are trying to understand the boundaries of each division and we will carry you along on our journey with us. Also next week, new live music from Tinyfish, Believe, and Jupiter Society.

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  • The Beatles- Strawberry Fields Forever
  • Soundscape Intro
  • Pendragon- Comatose II Space Cadet
  • Paul Cusick- Focal Point
  • Paul Cusick- Everblue
  • Abigail's Ghost- Black Lace
  • Twangorama- Creature of the House
  • Strawberry Fields-River's Gone Dry
  • Phish- Stealing Time from the Faulty Plan
  • Phish- Joy
  • George Hrab- Sweet Dreams (are made of Vox)
  • George Hrab- Far
  • Neil Patrick Harris- My Freeze Ray
  • Ghost Circus- Cycles
  • Roswell Six- Letters in a Bottle
  • Beatleprog
  • Klaatu- We're Off You Know
  • Kansas- Eleonor Rigby
  • Adrian Belew- Men in Helicopters v4.0
  • Spock's Beard- Cakewalk on Easy Street
  • Izz- Crossfire
  • The Watch- Shining Bald Heads
  • Crack the Sky- I am the Walrus
  • Marillion- Throw Me Out
  • Stackridge- Last Plimsoll
  • King's X- It's Love
  • The Beatles- Only a Northern Song
  • Transatlantic- Suite Charlotte Pike Medley
  • Badfinger- Come and Get It
  • ELO- Momma
  • Porcupine Tree- Always Never
  • Beardfish- Dark Poet
  • Kansas- Look at the Time
  • Toy Matinee- The Ballad of Jenny Ledge
  • Genesis- A Trick of the Tail
  • Nektar- Oh Willy
  • Kayak- See See the Sun
  • Yes- I'm Down
  • Yellow Matter Custard- While My Guitar Gently Weeps
  • Jeff Beck- A Day in the Life
  • Theme ends
  • Shadowland- The Edge of the Night
  • Shadowland- Dreams of the Ferryman
  • Paris Keeling- Telephone Line
  • BarclayJames Harvest- Titles
  • John Wesley Harding- When the Beatles Hit America
  • Vogon Poetry ending

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Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Ladies of the Road by King Crimson is known by it's Beatles-esque vocals.
  I love this song and i think " ISLAND" is very important album.
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^Dinosaur from the same album is another fine example that comes to my mind.
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walking on air from thrak is definetely influenced by the beatles sun king from abbey road.

anyways the entire song it's sounds pretty beatle esque
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Originally posted by Darklord55 Darklord55 wrote:

You'll probably think I'm crazy but who cares.  Opeth's Master's Apprentices at about the 6:00 minute mark through about 7:46.  The solo singing and harmonies sound very Beatlesque to me.  I have played this for a few of my friends who agreed.  The first time it hit me, I was watching the Lamentations DVD.   Wacko?


Well, i kind of agree Smile
I really like that song! Kind of a shame that such a beautiful song should have such a brutal intro. But it's the dynamics that makes opeth i guess.
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All of you
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That the
GIRLS
Of the
ROAD
Are like apples we stole in our youth

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Some Beatle-esque songs from prog or prog-related artists:
 
  • Little Hans from the "Freudiana"-album (by Eric Woolfson) sounds as if it was stolen from Paul McCartney.
  • Doctor Marvello by Klaatu (from their debut album) could have been written by George Harrison. There are more songs from this album that sound like the Beatles (Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft is another fine one).
  • Barclay James Harvest have several Beatle-esque songs (with Titles as the most embarassing example).
  • The Space by Marillion (from Seasons End).
  • and many more...
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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Transatlantic's Suite Charlotte Pike off of Bridge Across Forever was intended to sound very influenced by The Beatles' Abbey Road Medley. When they play it live, they actually make a 30-minute medley of the two songs.


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Without resorting to mere examples of bands "sounding like the Beatles" their influence on Prog could be seen as much deeper : they experimented in the studio with various unusual techniques, they broke the 3 minute sound barrier with the emphasis on creating concepts within their albums, they experimented with many different types of instruments, one of which could change the whole mood of the song, they studied many different cultures and trancended the whole concept of pop music into something more serious - the rest is Prog history! Smile
 
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When I read about Transatlantic or Spock's Beard or even Kings X it makes me realize its those elements about each band the Beatles influence that stops me really liking them ..  I consider the whole Beatles thing a little "OFF" the moment I hear it I know what it is and I just turn off the song/artist 
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A lot of stuff by 3 is very Beatlesque, I've noticed. I think Joey Eppard's voice helps.
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Would it be too adventurous of me to ask if anyone here would consider the song I Want You (She's So Heavy) the first progressive metal song?
Well, at least it would be really interesting to hear a cover of this song by a progressive metal band.
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Transatlantic's Suite Charlotte Pike off of Bridge Across Forever was intended to sound very influenced by The Beatles' Abbey Road Medley. When they play it live, they actually make a 30-minute medley of the two songs.

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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Originally posted by Rubidium Rubidium wrote:

While not the most progressive band, ELO was heavily influenced by the Beatles.  I also second Suite Charlotte Pike.  Very Beatlesque.  In fact, a lot of Neal Morse's music is Beatles influenced.


John Lennon invented ELO - they based their entire career around Strawberry Fields.


or perhaps Jeff Lynne's mother was the brains behind the Beatles....
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'While not the most progressive band, ELO'

just what pray tell was ELO if not progressive....Angry 
 
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