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jammun

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Topic: The Beatles:Rock Band
Posted: September 04 2009 at 22:44

It occurs to me, now, that the countless hours I spent playing Super Mario or original Zelda or whatever were a massive time sink. I just wouldn't want to confuse that game-playing time with time playing an instrument, where there is that magical moment when one comprehends, for example, the cycle of fifths. I guess my point is, don't confuse the two. Have fun, play the game, listen to some Beatles It's all good.

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JLocke

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Posted: September 04 2009 at 16:03

Padraic wrote:

This one's for you Micah.

http://www.xkcd.com/359/

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Thanks for that, Patrick! I needed a good laugh today. Smile

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Posted: September 04 2009 at 15:59

I agree with that comic Pat, but whatever you do, DON'T POST WEDNESDAY'S XKCD. Randall officially jumped the shark with that one.

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Posted: September 04 2009 at 13:07

This one's for you Micah.

http://www.xkcd.com/359/

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Posted: September 04 2009 at 12:57

Henry Plainview wrote:

Abstrakt wrote:

I know i suck at arguments, but that's still my opinion. Live with it.
And what do you have against my self-made avatars?

But you should have a good reason for your opinion!

Your avatar is ok now, but the "psychadelic" ones you made in Paint were ugly and terrible because everything made in Paint is ugly and terrible unless it is ugly and terrible ironically, but I don't think you were being ironic.

Some of them were ugly, yes. But not all of them.
I'm experimenting in paint. My self-made avatars are progressive Wink

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Posted: September 04 2009 at 12:30

Abstrakt wrote:

I know i suck at arguments, but that's still my opinion. Live with it.
And what do you have against my self-made avatars?

But you should have a good reason for your opinion!

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Posted: September 04 2009 at 00:47

Henry Plainview wrote:

I'm not going to buy it, but F**K people who are against it because it's "tainting the fanbase" by introducing people to music through a media other than print media (oh no! they'll be mindlessly conforming to a videogame instead of an internet forum and high school clique!) or that it's "selling out".

Abstrakt wrote:

I'm not against kids listening to the Beatles!
They will listen to Beatles because they are in a video game, and not because... whatever...
The point is that i don't like it Embarrassed

Basically, you don't have a single logical reason against it? This argument is even worse than your self-made avatars!

I know i suck at arguments, but that's still my opinion. Live with it.
And what do you have against my self-made avatars?

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 23:46

p0mt3 wrote:

^Well, also . . . I have played the game before at friends' houses, and I swear, it completely re-programs my brain! I go to pick up my actual Guitar, and forget what I'm doing for a little while!

The logistics between the two are so incredibly different, that I'm afraid to play it myself anymore. No kid could graduate to actual musical instruments from that. The whole 'feel' is nothing alike.

You're right, but I am a fan of this genre, don't know how. Maybe it's because I don't want to quit something if I'm good at it, and maybe I just like it, I really really don't know.

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 21:08

p0mt3 wrote:

jammun wrote:

Henry Plainview wrote:

Basically, you don't have a single logical reason against it? This argument is even worse than your self-made avatars!

p0mt3 wrote:

I hate Guitar Hero, Rock Band, all that stuff. I think it's lame. If kinds want to play an instrument, they need to really learn to play, not play at being something they aren't. That just keeps them in the attitude of 'the dreamer', and not an attitude that pushes them forward.

But you don't play Guitar Hero because you want to play an instrument! You play it because you want to have fun.

Jammum, since when has a guitar cost $60?

The game is $60. Sorry out of the loop, my kids are no longer kids. What's the controller (guitar) cost? Assuming you have the game platform, which yes we have a few of those around the house. But you can get a decent enough Strat copy for around $200. My original point being, you can play a game that will provide a few hundred hours of enjoyment, or potentially learn a skill that will provide a lifetime of same.

Don't worry, Jammun. Plainview's just in one of his moods. Wink

Your point makes plenty of sense from where i am standing, if that's any comfort to you at all. Hug

Eh, we all get in our moods around here. I will say this: if Rock Band Beatles introduces more people to Beatles music, that's all good. And if Rock Band itself causes a kid or two to actually pick up a guitar, that's all the more good. As said, I grew up in a different era, where the only video game was hanging out with friends playing Gloria or Just Like Me or some other song from back then, and then getting a gig at the middle school prom, whether we sucked (more than likely) or not (less likely). Our guitar player had Hey Joe down.

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 21:04

Henry Plainview wrote:

p0mt3 wrote:

Don't worry, Jammun. Plainview's just in one of his moods. Wink

I have to do something to compensate for being a failure. ;-)

Aww, come now, Harry! You're not a failure to me! Big hugs!!! Hug

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 21:01

p0mt3 wrote:

Don't worry, Jammun. Plainview's just in one of his moods. Wink

I have to do something to compensate for being a failure. ;-)

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 21:00

uh Rock Band/Guitar Hero is played by both adults and kids of every age.
I have no problem with it and I will probably buy it.
Why? Because I'm a Beatles Fan and the re-mastered tracks sound awesome.
I don't get why people have their panties in a bunch because it is just another way to enjoy music.
I mean, if you guys get pissed at this do you also throw a hissy fit at all the karaoke machines and bars?

Edited by KoS - September 03 2009 at 21:01

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 20:59

GH 3 is a little out of date but it's only $50 for everything. The new one is $100, which is closer to the cost of a low end acoustic.

You can, but you're making a false comparison. Playing the game and playing a guitar are two completely different things that are done for completely different reasons. It's a rhythm game to accompany beloved songs, not a guitar simulator. Nobody in the world thinks Guitar Hero has anything to do with real guitar, and in fact, I know someone who started learning how to play bass because of Guitar Hero!

Edited by Henry Plainview - September 03 2009 at 20:59

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JLocke

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 20:56

jammun wrote:

Henry Plainview wrote:

Basically, you don't have a single logical reason against it? This argument is even worse than your self-made avatars!

But you don't play Guitar Hero because you want to play an instrument! You play it because you want to have fun.

Jammum, since when has a guitar cost $60?

Don't worry, Jammun. Plainview's just in one of his moods. Wink

Your point makes plenty of sense from where i am standing, if that's any comfort to you at all. Hug

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 20:50

Henry Plainview wrote:

Basically, you don't have a single logical reason against it? This argument is even worse than your self-made avatars!

But you don't play Guitar Hero because you want to play an instrument! You play it because you want to have fun.

Jammum, since when has a guitar cost $60?

Edited by jammun - September 03 2009 at 20:52

Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.

JLocke

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 20:41

Henry Plainview wrote:

Basically, you don't have a single logical reason against it? This argument is even worse than your self-made avatars!

But you don't play Guitar Hero because you want to play an instrument! You play it because you want to have fun.

Jammum, since when has a guitar cost $60?

. . . you weren't hugged much as a child, were you? Tongue

Look, I'm all for having fun. I'm actually a huge gamer! I love playing videogames, but not when they claim to have anything in common with what they are simulating. I have heard many people say how they think Guitar Hero and Rock Band will inspire kids to play the real instruments. To me, that is ludicrous, and i agree with you, that SHOULDN"T be a reason to play those games, but many people seem to think that it IS.

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 20:22

Basically, you don't have a single logical reason against it? This argument is even worse than your self-made avatars!

But you don't play Guitar Hero because you want to play an instrument! You play it because you want to have fun.

Jammum, since when has a guitar cost $60?

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JLocke

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 20:02

^Well, also . . . I have played the game before at friends' houses, and I swear, it completely re-programs my brain! I go to pick up my actual Guitar, and forget what I'm doing for a little while!

The logistics between the two are so incredibly different, that I'm afraid to play it myself anymore. No kid could graduate to actual musical instruments from that. The whole 'feel' is nothing alike.

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 19:59

p0mt3 wrote:

^ Trust me, I'm still a kid and I agree with you 100%. Personally, I think these kinds of games are playing on people's lack of motivation to go and accomplish something 'for real', and we have all daydreamed of being a rock star at one point or another, so from a marketing standpoint, it makes total sense.

But then again, pressing buttons on a toy guitar doesn't pay the bills or give you much real sense of accomplishment, does it?

I agree, it seems so much more productive if you learn to play an actual instrument, at least then you can learn new songs or make your own when you get tired of the playing the same ones. I have always hated the mindless button pressing that you have to do on some songs, where you press the same button over and over and over, it kills my wrist to use the guitar controller.

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Posted: September 03 2009 at 19:58

p0mt3 wrote:

Don't worry, I know what you meant. Wink

I hate Guitar Hero, Rock Band, all that stuff. I think it's lame. If kinds want to play an instrument, they need to really learn to play, not play at being something they aren't. That just keeps them in the attitude of 'the dreamer', and not an attitude that pushes them forward.

Now . . . having said that, it's just my own personal opinion, and I know a lot of guys like the idea of a game such as this, because they think it will motivate more kids to actually pick up a real guitar. Personally, I think it's going to have the opposite effect, but whatever. The point is, it's here, it's not going away anytime soon, and if making a Beatles game out of it is what it takes to bring even more kids into our world, then by God, I'm going to jump for joy over it, no matter how against the concept itself I may be.

Very good point and I couldn't agree more. I'm not really keen on Rock Band/Guitar Hero, but if it exposes younger people to the group then I'm all for it. Hopefully they go out and buy the albums instead of stealing the music...that is my only qualm, especially with my generation's respect for musical artists