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    Posted: August 09 2009 at 22:15
Oh well, I've got wikipedia and last.fm, so I'm sure I can find out some good indian pop.

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I wouldn't know what to recommend.  I listen to some radio shows here on public radio, but every time I try to remember a name of an artist I am usually in the car and wouldn't even know how to write it even if I had a pen. Cry  I know that there is a whole rainbow of Indian pop, from stuff that sounds just like ours, to all the way to the traditional Indian side.  Best thing is to find a radio station that plays it. 

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Well, with globalisation and everything, I'm sure you can get a pretty cheap sitar made in china. Wink

My personal favorite pop genres are latin, french, and US pop. I've never actually tried indian pop music, just that ravi shankar dude. What do you reccommend for good indian pop? My apologies for inducing vomit, make sure you wash up and brush your teeth! After all, pop music is like beer, the lowest common denominator, ridiculously enjoyable, and vomit causing. 
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Oh, my delicate back!  Penny! Penny! 

Seems that the majority of Indian pop I've been hearing is not traditional at all.  A lot of it even mimics Western pop stuff all too much.   The ones I like are the ones that sound typically Western, but every so often the melody line goes into some mode or raga sending my brain into an orgasmic rush!   It's totally unexpected, and I think that's why I like it.  They retain their own cultural identity while still doing a pop song in a western style.  They might impose 4/4 on it, but much of the time they even keep their own rhythms.   There are ones that are traditional Indian songs, but they use synths for the music and also traditional instruments mixed in.  I love these the very best!  It's like Indian New Age Jazz or something.    The Chinese however, lose their cultural identity when the do pop stuff.   It used to be that you'd here an Gu Zheng or Er Hu in the stuff, but seems like that's all gone now.  Crap, sorry, rambling.  Only had 3 hours sleep. Just played at that prog festival here.  Off to bed! Sleepy

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Originally posted by LanCaiHe LanCaiHe wrote:

I wasn't aware there were any other sitars other than Indian ones? Wink  I couldn't help you with Indian time signatures, but I do know that I love Indian pop music way more than I do American pop music.   I won't dare tell you that the Beatles are different than Madonna, Shakira, or Michael Jackson, but I must tell you that when I read your sentence, I started vomiting uncontrollably. LOL  Oh No, now I've done it!  Someone's going to call me a Gnome, or a Troll or something now.   Oh Woe is Me!  Cry  I've been reduced to Dr. Zachary Smith!

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Well Lan, I listen to pop music by choice. We're a rare breed these days since the more intelligent music community has by and large shunned pop music, but some of us are both musically inclined and appreciate pop. For example, the people who make pop! Sometimes the writer isn't the person you see on the cover, but with te internet you can easily discover who writes all the music. My favorite is Max Martin, who became famous for writing the smash hit "Hit me baby one more time" but is essentially the man responsible for 1/3 of the top hits in the 90's. I also love the beatles, madonna, shakira, and micheal jackson, and don't you dare tell me the beatles are different because they are shamelessly pop! 

Anyways, most of the music I write is in the style of rock, and since 4/4 is the basic rhythm of rock, that is what sounds most natural when writing rock music. If I was writing indian sitar music, perhaps 11/8 would sound more natural. 

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Indian Pop music is essentially traditional Indian music (eg bhangra) that has been westernised, usually by imposing a 4 to the floor beat over it.
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I wasn't aware there were any other sitars other than Indian ones? Wink  I couldn't help you with Indian time signatures, but I do know that I love Indian pop music way more than I do American pop music.   I won't dare tell you that the Beatles are different than Madonna, Shakira, or Michael Jackson, but I must tell you that when I read your sentence, I started vomiting uncontrollably. LOL  Oh No, now I've done it!  Someone's going to call me a Gnome, or a Troll or something now.   Oh Woe is Me!  Cry  I've been reduced to Dr. Zachary Smith!

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Well Lan, I listen to pop music by choice. We're a rare breed these days since the more intelligent music community has by and large shunned pop music, but some of us are both musically inclined and appreciate pop. For example, the people who make pop! Sometimes the writer isn't the person you see on the cover, but with te internet you can easily discover who writes all the music. My favorite is Max Martin, who became famous for writing the smash hit "Hit me baby one more time" but is essentially the man responsible for 1/3 of the top hits in the 90's. I also love the beatles, madonna, shakira, and micheal jackson, and don't you dare tell me the beatles are different because they are shamelessly pop! 

Anyways, most of the music I write is in the style of rock, and since 4/4 is the basic rhythm of rock, that is what sounds most natural when writing rock music. If I was writing indian sitar music, perhaps 11/8 would sound more natural. 

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Ha! I think their best album is 'A Trick of the Tail'

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Well, with globalisation and everything, I'm sure you can get a pretty cheap sitar made in china. Wink

My personal favorite pop genres are latin, french, and US pop. I've never actually tried indian pop music, just that ravi shankar dude. What do you reccommend for good indian pop? My apologies for inducing vomit, make sure you wash up and brush your teeth! After all, pop music is like beer, the lowest common denominator, ridiculously enjoyable, and vomit causing. 

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I wasn't aware there were any other sitars other than Indian ones? Wink  I couldn't help you with Indian time signatures, but I do know that I love Indian pop music way more than I do American pop music.   I won't dare tell you that the Beatles are different than Madonna, Shakira, or Michael Jackson, but I must tell you that when I read your sentence, I started vomiting uncontrollably. LOL  Oh No, now I've done it!  Someone's going to call me a Gnome, or a Troll or something now.   Oh Woe is Me!  Cry  I've been reduced to Dr. Zachary Smith!

Originally posted by Nuke Nuke wrote:

Well Lan, I listen to pop music by choice. We're a rare breed these days since the more intelligent music community has by and large shunned pop music, but some of us are both musically inclined and appreciate pop. For example, the people who make pop! Sometimes the writer isn't the person you see on the cover, but with te internet you can easily discover who writes all the music. My favorite is Max Martin, who became famous for writing the smash hit "Hit me baby one more time" but is essentially the man responsible for 1/3 of the top hits in the 90's. I also love the beatles, madonna, shakira, and micheal jackson, and don't you dare tell me the beatles are different because they are shamelessly pop! 

Anyways, most of the music I write is in the style of rock, and since 4/4 is the basic rhythm of rock, that is what sounds most natural when writing rock music. If I was writing indian sitar music, perhaps 11/8 would sound more natural. 
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Well Lan, I listen to pop music by choice. We're a rare breed these days since the more intelligent music community has by and large shunned pop music, but some of us are both musically inclined and appreciate pop. For example, the people who make pop! Sometimes the writer isn't the person you see on the cover, but with te internet you can easily discover who writes all the music. My favorite is Max Martin, who became famous for writing the smash hit "Hit me baby one more time" but is essentially the man responsible for 1/3 of the top hits in the 90's. I also love the beatles, madonna, shakira, and micheal jackson, and don't you dare tell me the beatles are different because they are shamelessly pop! 

Anyways, most of the music I write is in the style of rock, and since 4/4 is the basic rhythm of rock, that is what sounds most natural when writing rock music. If I was writing indian sitar music, perhaps 11/8 would sound more natural. 

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But Nuke!  You must understand that in some cultures on the earth time signatures like 11/8 are completely normal for some people. Someone forwarded me a study once wherein they studied the musical abilities of children in various countries.  Of course the US ranked the lowest.  Not a surprise since almost everything the kids listen to is in 4/4.  LOL

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Lol, that's what I hate about forums. You're expected to stay on topic. Unhappy I think we've been off topic ever since LanCaiHe mentioned opeth, to point the finger. Anyways, yeah, I've written most of my songs in 5/4. I love that it is half-normal, wheras 11/8 or something is just wierd. I think when I venture too far away from a standard time signature my music sounds unnatural. I guess my taste for 5/4 reflects that in my heart I am half prog and half pop. See? We're back full circle! My heart music is totally in sync with the proggers who throw in dittys from other genres on their albums. Maybe those non-prog songs on prog albums are just musicians following their heart, and isn't that to be encouraged after all? I think I should get a prize for bringing this discussion back on topic Wink
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I'm sorry, but people who listen to pop music don't normally make the choice to listen to pop.  That is all they've ever heard, because that is all the radio has ever played.  People who listen to pop don't analyze the songs, they either say, I like that, or I don't like that.  Usually if they say they don't like that they will eventually say I like that after the radio station has played it about a million more times. LOL   I think that all of us as people who listen to Prog, have a much higher and evolved standard of listening because we ventured out beyond what has been pounded into our heads by the commercial music industry.  Big smile

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Originally posted by Nuke Nuke wrote:

Anyways, I don't think cynic and athiest should have been considered prog metal since they only went back to jazz (and new age electronica for cynic). They are so insanely creative and technical though, that it was bound to get added despite lacking the lineage. They are an example of what I am talking about. We either ought to open the floodgates or close them. Either all progressive and forward thinking rock music is prog, or only something somehow from the lineages established in the 70s. I hate this in-between state we have going on.



This. I said something like this on another thread - i think we need to accept all progressive music whether we like it or not. Pop fans don't say a song they don't like isn't pop simply because they don't like it or it doesn't go with their standards of pop.
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Lol, that's what I hate about forums. You're expected to stay on topic. Unhappy I think we've been off topic ever since LanCaiHe mentioned opeth, to point the finger. Anyways, yeah, I've written most of my songs in 5/4. I love that it is half-normal, wheras 11/8 or something is just wierd. I think when I venture too far away from a standard time signature my music sounds unnatural. I guess my taste for 5/4 reflects that in my heart I am half prog and half pop. See? We're back full circle! My heart music is totally in sync with the proggers who throw in dittys from other genres on their albums. Maybe those non-prog songs on prog albums are just musicians following their heart, and isn't that to be encouraged after all? I think I should get a prize for bringing this discussion back on topic Wink

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Originally posted by Nuke Nuke wrote:

Anyways, I don't think cynic and athiest should have been considered prog metal since they only went back to jazz (and new age electronica for cynic). They are so insanely creative and technical though, that it was bound to get added despite lacking the lineage. They are an example of what I am talking about. We either ought to open the floodgates or close them. Either all progressive and forward thinking rock music is prog, or only something somehow from the lineages established in the 70s. I hate this in-between state we have going on.



This. I said something like this on another thread - i think we need to accept all progressive music whether we like it or not. Pop fans don't say a song they don't like isn't pop simply because they don't like it or it doesn't go with their standards of pop.
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^ You guys are in the wrong thread - you need this one: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60138 
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See, and it's the time signature thing that really bugs me.  I love odd time signatures, or, I should probably say that when I make up stuff it ends up most of the time being in an odd time signature and you simply cannot execute it on Garageband much of the time unless you do it free style, but then you cant quantize it.  LOL 

I really like anything odd.  5/4 is great, so is 9/8, 12/8, and 18/8 is really freaking strange.  I saw a Bulgarian folk group and asked them what time they were playing in and the flute player said something like 23/8!!!  There is a french composer from the early 1920's called Jehan Alain who I credit with writing the first heavy metal piece on organ!  He does a piece in 18/8 that rocks!
 
I've bought a few how to do it DVD's and books on logic in order to get myself off on the right foot.  I won't be able to start trying to tackle it until next week. 

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That is a strange coincidence. I'm downloading logic as we speak. I got tired of garageband's limits so I decided logic is the way to go. Transmission tells me however that I have 3 more days to wait. Let me know how logic goes for you. I'm hoping it can boost my production to match my creativity, because right now I've got a bunch of innovative songs that sound like crap Confused What's your favorite time signature? (I'm a 5/4 man myself)

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Yes, I love Crimson as well, always have, probably always will.  A Flower?? There could only be one man like that, at least I hope only one! LOL

Garageband is definitely not to be underestimated.   There is nothing bad about it except maybe it's editing cababilities are poor, and the only thing that really bothers me about it is that you cannot switch time sigs so easily.  I'm learning Logic now.  Computers confuse me, since I wasn't born after 1980.  They say that people born after 1980 actually think differently than those born before.  I think it's true for the most part. 
 
Garageband also has some extremely realistic sounds on it that I have not been able to find on expensive synths.  I had to lug my computer to the recording studio a few weeks ago because I simply could not find a realistic harp patch on any of my synths or at the music store.    Grrrrrrr!  AngryTongue

 
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That is a strange coincidence. I'm downloading logic as we speak. I got tired of garageband's limits so I decided logic is the way to go. Transmission tells me however that I have 3 more days to wait. Let me know how logic goes for you. I'm hoping it can boost my production to match my creativity, because right now I've got a bunch of innovative songs that sound like crap Confused What's your favorite time signature? (I'm a 5/4 man myself)

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Yes, I love Crimson as well, always have, probably always will.  A Flower?? There could only be one man like that, at least I hope only one! LOL

Garageband is definitely not to be underestimated.   There is nothing bad about it except maybe it's editing cababilities are poor, and the only thing that really bothers me about it is that you cannot switch time sigs so easily.  I'm learning Logic now.  Computers confuse me, since I wasn't born after 1980.  They say that people born after 1980 actually think differently than those born before.  I think it's true for the most part. 
 
Garageband also has some extremely realistic sounds on it that I have not been able to find on expensive synths.  I had to lug my computer to the recording studio a few weeks ago because I simply could not find a realistic harp patch on any of my synths or at the music store.    Grrrrrrr!  AngryTongue

 

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A Flower?? There could only be one man like that, at least I hope only one! LOL

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Yes, I love Crimson as well, always have, probably always will.  A Flower?? There could only be one man like that, at least I hope only one! LOL

Garageband is definitely not to be underestimated.   There is nothing bad about it except maybe it's editing cababilities are poor, and the only thing that really bothers me about it is that you cannot switch time sigs so easily.  I'm learning Logic now.  Computers confuse me, since I wasn't born after 1980.  They say that people born after 1980 actually think differently than those born before.  I think it's true for the most part. 
 
Garageband also has some extremely realistic sounds on it that I have not been able to find on expensive synths.  I had to lug my computer to the recording studio a few weeks ago because I simply could not find a realistic harp patch on any of my synths or at the music store.    Grrrrrrr!  AngryTongue

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Yeah, the rite of spring has a really strong pull on both prog and metal fans. I've loved this song sice before I was either a prog fan or a metal fan, and look what happened! Wink You're right about King Crimson predicting a lot of metal. Heck, larks tongus in aspic part 2 is metal, and by that I mean it should have been written in the 80's. 21st century schizoid man had the sort of yelling thing with dissonant chords going on too, way early. That's what I love about king crimson, they predicted prog rock, metal, and math rock. That's three genres, and if we include fripp's other work, we can add ambient to that list too! I'd better stop now though because I am a hopeless king crimson fan and could worship them forever Tongue

And lol, I love the glam signature! Glam is so ridiculous I think the only thing we can do is laugh at it. Of course, who am I to talk? I like a band where the lead singer used to dress up in a flower costume! Speaking of music battles, where could I hear some of this music you've created? I write music on apple garageband for fun myself, but since it's apple garageband it is never really good. I just tried my hand at a metal song for the first time this month, and my growls are ferocious man! RAWR Evil Smile
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Yeah, the rite of spring has a really strong pull on both prog and metal fans. I've loved this song sice before I was either a prog fan or a metal fan, and look what happened! Wink You're right about King Crimson predicting a lot of metal. Heck, larks tongus in aspic part 2 is metal, and by that I mean it should have been written in the 80's. 21st century schizoid man had the sort of yelling thing with dissonant chords going on too, way early. That's what I love about king crimson, they predicted prog rock, metal, and math rock. That's three genres, and if we include fripp's other work, we can add ambient to that list too! I'd better stop now though because I am a hopeless king crimson fan and could worship them forever Tongue

And lol, I love the glam signature! Glam is so ridiculous I think the only thing we can do is laugh at it. Of course, who am I to talk? I like a band where the lead singer used to dress up in a flower costume! Speaking of music battles, where could I hear some of this music you've created? I write music on apple garageband for fun myself, but since it's apple garageband it is never really good. I just tried my hand at a metal song for the first time this month, and my growls are ferocious man! RAWR Evil Smile

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Haha!  Yes, well, I'm more of a fool than a troll, or maybe just a bitter old man. LOL    Like I told a young friend of mine the other day, the worst part of growing older is that one sees the advent of so much in ones life and tends to view everything new in the light of everything that came before.   Many people who don't know the past that well will see everything new as toally new.  Ignorance is bliss I suppose.  Confused 

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Originally posted by LanCaiHe LanCaiHe wrote:

Pretty funny that I would be accused of posting controversial messages just to provoke a response.  I certainly have way better things to do with my time.  I've learned a lot from you and others so far!  
 

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I wouldn't mind having a musical duel with people who accuse me of being a troll.  We could submit our compositions and let people vote on a winner.  LOL   I'm sure they don't have much to offer.  They are probably like people who read about music, but never "do" it actually.   Ah well, to each his own.  Shocked

LOL 'Tis a brave man who throws gauntlets around with wild abandon on a forum that professes more musicians than the Royal Philharmonic at Last Night of the Proms - then having heard some of your work this is self-confidence understandable Big smile. However, I wouldn't underestimate the opposition either Wink
 
 
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Originally posted by LanCaiHe LanCaiHe wrote:

Pretty funny that I would be accused of posting controversial messages just to provoke a response.  I certainly have way better things to do with my time.  I've learned a lot from you and others so far!  
 

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I wouldn't mind having a musical duel with people who accuse me of being a troll.  We could submit our compositions and let people vote on a winner.  LOL   I'm sure they don't have much to offer.  They are probably like people who read about music, but never "do" it actually.   Ah well, to each his own.  Shocked

LOL 'Tis a brave man who throws gauntlets around with wild abandon on a forum that professes more musicians than the Royal Philharmonic at Last Night of the Proms - then having heard some of your work this is self-confidence understandable Big smile. However, I wouldn't underestimate the opposition either Wink
 
 
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