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    Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:38
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I am a cheapskate. I don't want to pay $19.95 for a CD plus shipping and handling, when I can generally get it for less at a local brick and mortar store or from buying it on Amazon.  You would think that if Amazon can sell the CD for $14.99, that the band would be able to do so as well, and make a bigger profit by cutting out the middle man.  Instead, they end up charging more than if they had used the middle man.  The economics sounds kind of screwy to me. 


I'm in the same boat. I want this, and like the general idea, but $20 + shipping for a CD is highway robbery, especially considering that there are no middle men in the equation. I will buy the album one way or another eventually, but I'm not sure if I'll do this special pre-order or not.

Also, I think they are missing out on something Marillion does by not putting the names of the financiers in the booklet, I think that would help move quite a few copies.
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It's an interesting approach. However, I'm sure that on the very day of the release the album will be available as a "free torrent" anyway ...

I think that with a band as popular as SB another approach would be better: Make the album available for free and then ask people to donate. I'd be willing to bet that with the proper promotion they would get at least 5000 people to donate - maybe more.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

SBX - The "Ultra Package"
Includes:
SBX Autographed LTD. Edition CD
SBX Tee Shirt
Special SBX Mystery Grab Bag Swag Package (items TBA)
Your name listed in the CD liner notes as an "Executive Producer"
And finally, your name written into the lyrics of a new Spock's Beard song. This track will include a vocal section where your name (or somone you choose) will be sung by the band. This will be a full band, fully-produced song that requires a long list of names be sung as part of the lyric.
This last part is funny.   I don't know if anyone else saw it, but on emusic The BareNaked Ladies recorded an eMusic exclusive song called Mike Brennan, which was named after the guy who downloaded the 1 millionth song from emusic (I think it was 1 million).  It was actually a fairly good song done in BNL's humorous style.


That last point there is about the stupidest sh*t I've ever heard of. Which is sad, because Spock's Beard used to be a good band. I've never seen selling out done quite so literally.
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Obviously, I don't know any of the details, but Nick D. released his Lamb Lies Down remake through Prog Rock Records, so he has dealings with a label other that InsideOut/SPV, and I would think that a relationship with Spock's Beard and Prog Rock Records would be viable.  Maybe they already discussed something and couldn't work out a deal.  Beats me.  I definitely understand that the music industry is awfully difficult these days.  I wish the Beard all of the best with this new album.  I will probably wait the month or so to see if it gets a proper release on Amazon or shows up in the brick and mortar stores.  I guess that I would prefer that they went the Radiohead or Marillion route where they allow you to download the CD and pay what you want, or buy it on Amazon at the normal price (which is what I did with Radiohead and Marillion).  I realize that I am only talking about 4 or 5 dollars but I spend so much on CDs already in a year, and I try to get the best deals that I can when I can. 

On the other hand if they were to show their heads here in the Detroit area I would be sure to show up with my hard earned dollars to pay to see them play.  One of these days I will hopefully make a festival run and see them play at a prog festival, but I'd prefer it if they came to see me. LOL
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I've preordered the autographed edition. I hope it helps the band! This is my favorite band and I can't wait to hear what their next album sounds like. 
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I ordered mine (just the standard edition). A buddy of mine is a little torqued at how they're doing it, but it's a different world nowadays. A niche genre like prog needs to explore other options.

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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I am a cheapskate. I don't want to pay $19.95 for a CD plus shipping and handling, when I can generally get it for less at a local brick and mortar store or from buying it on Amazon.  You would think that if Amazon can sell the CD for $14.99, that the band would be able to do so as well, and make a bigger profit by cutting out the middle man.  Instead, they end up charging more than if they had used the middle man.  The economics sounds kind of screwy to me. 


I can't speak for the band in this situation, but I'd guess that it was somewhat financially driven.  Let's face it, the world economy is in shambles, SPV just went bankrupt so they feel that have to do it themselves.  It's a calculated risk that the same people that would pay fifteen dollars up front would pay twenty dollars up front as well.  The sooner they get enough money to press the first release the sooner it can be released and the sooner they can earn some of the money that they're fronting back.  I'll pay the extra five dollars. 

Being a musician isn't as glamorous as it once was.  Last year, I believe Ryo broke his jaw and wasn't able to gig for a few months.  He had to resort to donations to survuve until he could play again.  I understand your point Rushfan, but I think I understand theirs as well.
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Originally posted by OzzProg OzzProg wrote:

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The Ultra edition?
 
No, ordering the ultra edition in my country would be the same as paying US$650 in US for it. As though as I´m a fan of Spock´s Beard, I would never pay such amount.
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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Why'd you change the name of the thread, Eric?


I didn't. When I first logged on to check the respondents, I saw this and thought it was a duplicate thread started by somebody else. Apparently, "Spock's Beard does things Marillion's way" put somebody in a twist and it was changed. Would like an explanation, but not a huge deal. Just didn't see anything...you know...controversial.

Did anyone else?

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I am a cheapskate. I don't want to pay $19.95 for a CD plus shipping and handling, when I can generally get it for less at a local brick and mortar store or from buying it on Amazon.  You would think that if Amazon can sell the CD for $14.99, that the band would be able to do so as well, and make a bigger profit by cutting out the middle man.  Instead, they end up charging more than if they had used the middle man.  The economics sounds kind of screwy to me. 
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Nice initiative. Hope it works well, so the band can keep their work without worrying about market changes and record company demands.
 
BTW, I´ve already ordered mine.


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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Why'd you change the name of the thread, Eric?


I didn't. When I first logged on to check the respondents, I saw this and thought it was a duplicate thread started by somebody else. Apparently, "Spock's Beard does things Marillion's way" put somebody in a twist and it was changed. Would like an explanation, but not a huge deal. Just didn't see anything...you know...controversial.

Did anyone else?

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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by OzzProg OzzProg wrote:

And finally, your name written into the lyrics of a new Spock's Beard song. This track will include a vocal section where your name (or somone you choose) will be sung by the band. This will be a full band, fully-produced song that requires a long list of names be sung as part of the lyric.

That is terrible, SB has turned their band into a marketing scheme... although it would be cool to hear YOUR name in a song, but not so much the other people's. I can already see people signing up for the Ultra Package, and adding names like THIS

P.S. how much would this Uber Ultra package be?
It was $199.  It might be a cool concept if each CD was personalized so that your name were inserted into the spot but I don't think that I am all that interested in hearing them sing the names of everyone who does the Ultra package.  Of course at $199, I don't suspect that they will get too many hits, accept from the most diehard fans.


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Originally posted by OzzProg OzzProg wrote:

And finally, your name written into the lyrics of a new Spock's Beard song. This track will include a vocal section where your name (or somone you choose) will be sung by the band. This will be a full band, fully-produced song that requires a long list of names be sung as part of the lyric.

That is terrible, SB has turned their band into a marketing scheme... although it would be cool to hear YOUR name in a song, but not so much the other people's. I can already see people signing up for the Ultra Package, and adding names like THIS

P.S. how much would this Uber Ultra package be?
It was $199.  It might be a cool concept if each CD was personalized so that your name were inserted into the spot but I don't think that I am all that interested in hearing them sing the names of everyone who does the Ultra package.  Of course at $199, I don't suspect that they will get too many hits, accept from the most diehard fans.
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Yes! The gods of modern symphonic prog strike again!

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And finally, your name written into the lyrics of a new Spock's Beard song. This track will include a vocal section where your name (or somone you choose) will be sung by the band. This will be a full band, fully-produced song that requires a long list of names be sung as part of the lyric.

That is terrible, SB has turned their band into a marketing scheme... although it would be cool to hear YOUR name in a song, but not so much the other people's. I can already see people signing up for the Ultra Package, and adding names like THIS

P.S. how much would this Uber Ultra package be?

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SBX - The "Ultra Package"
Includes:
SBX Autographed LTD. Edition CD
SBX Tee Shirt
Special SBX Mystery Grab Bag Swag Package (items TBA)
Your name listed in the CD liner notes as an "Executive Producer"
And finally, your name written into the lyrics of a new Spock's Beard song. This track will include a vocal section where your name (or somone you choose) will be sung by the band. This will be a full band, fully-produced song that requires a long list of names be sung as part of the lyric.
This last part is funny.   I don't know if anyone else saw it, but on emusic The BareNaked Ladies recorded an eMusic exclusive song called Mike Brennan, which was named after the guy who downloaded the 1 millionth song from emusic (I think it was 1 million).  It was actually a fairly good song done in BNL's humorous style.
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Why'd you change the name of the thread, Eric?
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Neither artist is quite as good when Neal and the Beard are separate, I agree. But with SB9, the boys proved that they can write some really great music without him. Although, with Lifeline, Neal proved he probably needs to have a consistent band to help regulate the quality of his music...
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