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Poll Question: Supertramp Crime of the Century ... 27 ?
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    Posted: July 07 2009 at 10:31
As far as Prog is concerned, COTC is fine where it is....
 
but given all time faves....it's in my top 10/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2009 at 03:37
I'll confess that it is in my top 20. I do revisit it every so often to make sure that it deserves to rank so highly and each time that I play it I realise how good it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2009 at 19:09
There are a few very good pop songs on this album but 27th is way to high on a prog list
Have it settled into the number 445 spot on my personal, yet to be completed, list


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2009 at 18:28
Bloody well Right to sayyyyyyy.....
Vote for the non overrated.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2009 at 10:19
I don't like it very much and I don't think it is really prog, just a few songs, but anyway, top lists are about general peoples' tastes and it is expected that an album highly praised by the critics and audience will figure high on the list.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2009 at 10:45
I like Supertramp ok but Crime of the Century never did anything for me. Even In the Quietest Moments should be up there! Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 14:00
It's fine where it is. The title track is a masterpiece and the rest is very finely-crafted rock&pop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 22:52
Eh, why not?  It's a pretty good album.  I've heard worse, some of which might actually outrank it in the Top 100 at any given moment.  In a sense, it's a perfect representation of prog's influence on a pretty good rock band and therefore, given that niche, may be perfectly placed.  If not, don't worry, won't be there long.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 22:44
27 is way to high.  It should be AT LEAST 28.  *shakes fist at PA's flawed rating system*

In all seriousness though, 27 is as good a place as any for CotC, though I'll admit it is higher on my personal list, and furthermore one of the few albums I consider absolutely perfect.  There are few moments as exciting as the piano solo in School, as hypnotizing as the saxophone in Hide in Your Shell, or as satisfying as the last notes of the title track. It is for me (and apparently for this site as well) the pinnacle of Crossover Prog.  Granted, the genre itself takes a lot of flack because it dares touch base with *gasp* pop, but this broadness is part of the charm of the record.   I can, however, understand why this may turn off our more "purist" proggers. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 22:04
Crime of the Century is not pop
...okay well Dreamer is... and Bloody Well Right... and a few other tracks. But that's not important. They're still progressive pop. And School and the title track are definitely more rock than pop. 
Anyway, even the pop songs are pop rock.
If you put it all together, you have a nice pop-influenced progressive rock album.

On a side note, I love School. It is a very appropriate song. It's very important to me and I think it has been to a lot of students in the past. It's so powerful and so relevant and so true.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 18:49
As to the poll question... I'm not quite sure where I'd place it on my personal top 100, and I stopped caring about the site's top 100 a while ago.

But I do think it's underrated for the most part, and I'm glad that it gets good attention here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 18:48
Originally posted by kingfriso kingfriso wrote:

I one Supertramp record should be part of the PA top 100 it would be 'Crisis, what crisis?". Ít's still a total mistery why Crime of the Century is so highly regarded. It's a kind of pop album..


I find it heavily intriguing how would could hear Crime as "kind of pop" and not Crisis?, as I think they're both similar.

If anything, Crisis? is more apt to be labeled pop than Crime, I would think----and Supertramp aren't pop at all, really. They just incorporate pop-accessibility into their works, and I would hesitate to lump them in with other artists that are labeled pop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 18:33
Honestly, there are songs on it I remember from airplay, so certainly pop from that standpoint, but I picked up a copy of it last year and found it reasonably prog.

I haven't had a Crisis yet...Tongue


Edited by Slartibartfast - June 30 2009 at 18:35
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 17:53
I one Supertramp record should be part of the PA top 100 it would be 'Crisis, what crisis?". Ít's still a total mistery why Crime of the Century is so highly regarded. It's a kind of pop album..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 16:53
No, not even top 100

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 16:32
I would probably place it higher.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 16:23
I like the album, it's one of their best, but I wouldn't put it at 27 on my top 100 list.  I'm not sure if it would even make the list.  As to being overrated - reviewers rate it as they see fit, and I am not one to decry what they say, even if I disgree.  Didn't vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 15:48
I think Crime of the Century is a pretty good album, but 27 is very high... way too high I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 14:54
Originally posted by Yorkie X Yorkie X wrote:

Tongue worst poll ever ... 


Rankings are purely for entertainment purposes.  I'm actually a newbie to that album and I like it alright, bloody well, you might say.Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 13:31
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by TerLJack TerLJack wrote:

You should have one more choice for those of us who think it should be rated higher!
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Exactly.  At one point Crime of the Century was in the Top-10 for a while (so was Wishbone Ash's 'Argus' for that matter).  In both cases they are brilliant albums that deserve the recognition IMHO. 
 
Whether they are 'prog enough' or not is really a moot point - their association to progressive music is well enough established that all but the most dogmatic of listeners at least think they're prog.
 


I haven't thought of myself as one of the most dogmatic listeners, and yet I don't think of Supertramp as Prog (though I'd likely be apt to describe some of their music that way to some people, and do attribute various prog traits to their music).  I do associate the band with the Prog movement, but it's more proggy than prog for me.  It's not that I think others are wrong and I'm right.  Prog can be a nebulous construct.  I don't have a problem with it in a prog category, cause I think it has enough in common with progressive rock acts for it, but I still don't think of Supertramp as Prog-proper.  I think of it as Art Rock and Classic Rock.  Nomencalture is a funny old game though, and different people have different biases/ look for, or hear different qualities, and make differet associations.  Some music that I think of as Prog (in a greater sense of the word) and suitable for the archives, others dismiss as unsuitable and non-Prog (which is a stronger statement than somewhat prog etc.).  And others that I think are Prog Related others say have nothing to with Prog (I'm very inclusive when it comes to "related").

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