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    Posted: June 22 2009 at 06:45
^ they're relatively big stretches for guitarists though, at least on standard scale guitars (25,5").

Like I said earlier: I don't think that I'll be using three note per string scales on the bass. I think the standard 2/3 note per strings scales will suffice ... except for the higher regions of the fretboard.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 06:02
Err Mike, The Hot For Teacher stretches aren't that big anyway, at least not compared to a 1st-3rd-5th fret stretch on a bassLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 05:22
Finally ... the bass arrived this morning. Unfortunately I only had about 15 minutes to play it before work ... I can't wait to plug it in. Only about 7 hours to go ... Sleepy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2009 at 03:47
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Memorize this if you haven't already for guitar
 
-----flat 2nd---------2nd------------Minor 3rd-----Maj 3rd---4th-------tritone-------5th
-----Minor 6th------Major 6th-----Minor 7th-----Maj 7th----Root----flat 2nd------2nd
-----Minor 3rd------Major 3d-----4th--------------tritone-----5th------Minor 6th----Major 6th
-----Minor 7th------Major 7th-----Root-----------flat 2nd----2nd-----Minor 3rd----Major3rd
 
You probably already know it.....but if you don't it will change your life.


Thanks! Yes, I already know it ... I've been practicing scales for about 20 years. I agree, it's very important to know the intervals, especially for bass lines. I've always been consciously listening to to the bass lines in my favorite music.Smile

I think my main problem will be the finger picking/plucking technique.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2009 at 03:30
Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

I'm going to assume, from previous conversations, you're getting a bass more so because you need something for recording rather than wanting to be the next Billy Sheehan.
Just going through a lot of scale exercises as you would on a guitar or whatever helps, obviously instead picking with a pick just via the fingers.
It's obvious, but just record yourself playing and listen to picking and fretting hand consistency.

Of course the first step will be to develop the proper picking/fretting hand coordination ... I guess it will take me quite a while until I even manage to play an alternating line of E and B with proper intonation. I already tested it on the guitar ... what I'm wondering is: how do I stop the notes with the right hand? I pluck the E string with the index finger, the only way to stop it is to put the same finger on the string again?

Be wary about playing the F Major scale starting on the first fret, 3 note per string pattern ascending/descending starting on the E string, because that is quite a big stretch on a scale length like that. It's entirely possible, even for a guy with medium sized hands like me, but I don't recommend you make it part of your daily regime unless you want to injure yourself. Of course you can learn to do it via the low B string and ascending from there.
When you play 3 note per string stuff, try to stick with A major (when starting on the E string) and higher, still a good stretch but nothing that will risk injury.

Well, I already play Hot For Teacher on the guitar and never had any physical problems. But I know what you mean ... well, I think that I'll move the hand and/or do slides rather than trying to use the same 3 note per string scales that I use on the guitar.

And why not learn YYZ? No one says you have to learn it all full speed first off. You can slow the song down by 30 per cent of whatever, and learn it that way.
FWIW, my friend has that exact same bass, they have decent playability for what they are, you should enjoy it.

Maybe I'll start with an easier song - like Pink Floyd - Money.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2009 at 01:20
I'm going to assume, from previous conversations, you're getting a bass more so because you need something for recording rather than wanting to be the next Billy Sheehan.
Just going through a lot of scale exercises as you would on a guitar or whatever helps, obviously instead picking with a pick just via the fingers.
It's obvious, but just record yourself playing and listen to picking and fretting hand consistency.
Be wary about playing the F Major scale starting on the first fret, 3 note per string pattern ascending/descending starting on the E string, because that is quite a big stretch on a scale length like that. It's entirely possible, even for a guy with medium sized hands like me, but I don't recommend you make it part of your daily regime unless you want to injure yourself. Of course you can learn to do it via the low B string and ascending from there.
When you play 3 note per string stuff, try to stick with A major (when starting on the E string) and higher, still a good stretch but nothing that will risk injury.

And why not learn YYZ? No one says you have to learn it all full speed first off. You can slow the song down by 30 per cent of whatever, and learn it that way.
FWIW, my friend has that exact same bass, they have decent playability for what they are, you should enjoy it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2009 at 20:36
Learn to play Roundabout.

Thats all the advice I can give on bass...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2009 at 20:29
Memorize this if you haven't already for guitar
 
-----flat 2nd---------2nd------------Minor 3rd-----Maj 3rd---4th-------tritone-------5th
-----Minor 6th------Major 6th-----Minor 7th-----Maj 7th----Root----flat 2nd------2nd
-----Minor 3rd------Major 3d-----4th--------------tritone-----5th------Minor 6th----Major 6th
-----Minor 7th------Major 7th-----Root-----------flat 2nd----2nd-----Minor 3rd----Major3rd
 
You probably already know it.....but if you don't it will change your life.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2009 at 20:24
Fretless???
 
Jeez the transition is hard enough without that.
 
Although a good fretless bass is one of God's gifts to the world.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2009 at 20:03
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Interesting advice, bass is mostly about the arpeggio (I looked it up I may not be using the right term exactly Embarrassed), I'm trying to think of bassists that actually do chords and no one comes to mind.  I'm pretty lousy at guitar chords so maybe I really should take up bass. LOL

By the way Mike, feel free to single out the shipping service that screwed you over by name. Tongue


Stanley Clarke does some chordal stuff, as did Jaco.  It's not as common as on guitar, though..

My main advice: Have fun with it, you've now ordered guitar's smarter brother. Tongue

Other than that, at least IMO fingerstyle is much better on bass than playing with a pick.  Unless you NEED the pick for something you want to play (for example some of the Yes stuff which would be nigh-impossible to play without one) give your fingers a good workout instead.  Oh, and once you're comfortable with the larger frets and such...go fretless, it's a lot more fun.  Clap  I play a lined fretless, that way I have the general idea of where I should be playing, but it's a lot more free, and if you ever want to transition over into double bass you won't be as lost on its monster neck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2009 at 18:05
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Practice control, fingers, be patient. Dont get scared of huge frets and strings. Very soon it will become natural and enjoyable!

Dont play chords, dont plug it in distortion, please! At least not at the beginning.

After that, when you grab a guitar, you will think its tiny as a mandolinEmoticons


Interesting advice, bass is mostly about the arpeggio (I looked it up I may not be using the right term exactly Embarrassed), I'm trying to think of bassists that actually do chords and no one comes to mind.  I'm pretty lousy at guitar chords so maybe I really should take up bass. LOL

By the way Mike, feel free to single out the shipping service that screwed you over by name. Tongue


Edited by Slartibartfast - June 19 2009 at 18:11
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2009 at 17:34
Practice control, fingers, be patient. Dont get scared of huge frets and strings. Very soon it will become natural and enjoyable!

Dont play chords, dont plug it in distortion, please! At least not at the beginning.

After that, when you grab a guitar, you will think its tiny as a mandolinEmoticons

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2009 at 16:53
Angry I expected to have the bass today ... but what did I see when I tracked the shipment? They did not find me! The parcel was returned to the sender. I'm outraged ... I've been living in this place for more than 6 years, had many parcels sent here ... none of them were ever returned to sender.

I guess I'll have to wait another week ... Disapprove
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2009 at 16:22
When I got my bass (long time guitar player here too), I literally just played along with James Brown greatest hits repeat after repeat. I've been playing now (bass) for over 12 years now, and I approach it completely differently than a guitar. It's actually taught me alot about guitar, as I used alot of shapes / licks on guitar, but on bass I know exactly which scale degree of every chord I'm playing. It seems wierd, but it's easier to do because the instrument is so much simpler in a melodic sense.
 
And find that bass drum and make your note and that note into one tone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2009 at 16:19
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I was looking at the credits for a John Paul Jones solo album and have this utterly useless piece of advice:
get one with as many strings as possible. LOL
After all you can take strings away but you can never add additional ones.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2009 at 16:05
I was looking at the credits for a John Paul Jones solo album and have this utterly useless piece of advice:
get one with as many strings as possible. LOL
After all you can take strings away but you can never add additional ones.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2009 at 16:00
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I think the stuff from Pastorius is a bit difficult to play when you're just starting to play. Not everything he made is as difficult as the intro of Stranglers' 'No More Heroes', but it still requires a good dexterity.


I got a DVD of his for christmas, and some of his "excercices" are INSANE! LOL
I really like his playing, though. He use his bass like it's more of a solo instrument than a rhytm instrument. Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2009 at 15:57
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

Whatever you do just actually learn how to play bass. I'm sick of hearing what is obviously guitarists hacking away on a bass like it's a guitar missing strings.


Geezer Butler never played Bass before he joined Black Sabbath Wink (He used to play rhytm guitar)
And i see what you mean, but he's really got his own bluesy style.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2009 at 15:51
^ and how do I avoid that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2009 at 15:36
Whatever you do just actually learn how to play bass. I'm sick of hearing what is obviously guitarists hacking away on a bass like it's a guitar missing strings.
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