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hitting_singularity2 
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 Topic: Prog lover = low self esteem
Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:11 |
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funny story, I was talking to my 2nd cousin yesterday at a family reunion and I knew he liked prog because another time he was looking at my ipod and said 'oh! you have Yes" But apparently he forgot cause it took me 2 hours before he stopped saying stuff like 'oh i like fun rock/ different stuff/ folky metal" Partly my fault for not being straightforward tho...
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progkidjoel
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 08:25 |
 KingCrimson250 wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I`m actually embarassd to use the phrase progrock because many people don`t even know what the hell it is. Just saying that I listen to all kinds of freaked out sh*t is easier. |
+1I'll generally say something like "Experimental stuff" cos no one understands what prog is. |
I'll either say experimental or obscure rock, just to save myself a 15 minute conversation which leads to many more questions...
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debrewguy
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 21:20 |
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I like VB's answer better. Prog / experimental really doesn't say much when you think of it. "You listen to Prog ? Pink Floyd ? No, PFM, though. Who ? It's an Italian band. What ?"
Kinda like saying you listen to metal and being told "Metallica" ? No , Megadeth, Accept, Sabbath.
Punk ? like Green Day ? No, like Fear, the Germs, D.O.A. ."
I.E. if your conversational partner has no knowledge of what you're talking in the first place, the use of lingo won't be of much help.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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KingCrimson250
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 18:03 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I`m actually embarassd to use the phrase progrock because many people don`t even know what the hell it is. Just saying that I listen to all kinds of freaked out sh*t is easier. |
+1 I'll generally say something like "Experimental stuff" cos no one understands what prog is.
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debrewguy
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 17:36 |
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Neigh, y'are wrong.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 21:14 |
el dingo wrote:
ClemofNazareth wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
ClemofNazareth wrote:
and no alt.country which would mean no Wovenhand, no Holopaw, no Calexico, no Kings of Leon, ....
this would not be good  |
I beg to differ.
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You have no power here! Now begone, before somebody drops a house on you!
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Looks to me like that house was built after 1989. |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 21:06 |
The T wrote:
We have nothing to lose, but our chains. But we have a world to win over....
Really, reading some threads here in PA, i agree with DB... I don't know why we don't feature, instead of ads for bands, ads for Prozac and other anti-depression medication...
Let's all create a Waco temple of prog and.... (you know what happens next..) |
I think there's a surfeit of "medication" (surely a euphemism for the ages) involved in prog appreciation already, thank you very much.  
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The T
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 11:17 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Or Ronnie James Dio, he refered to American Idol as American Karioke in 2006 saying, "Most people who watch American Idol are under 13 years old. Those who are over 13 years old have the brains of 10 year olds. " Not really fair to 10 year olds but I get the guy`s gist. |
As poor as American idol could be, taking the opinion of Dio as the definitive word in musical tastes is even more 10-year-old-ish..... The guy can sing.... and let's keep it at that.
If we were to perform a psycological test of Dio, we would find out he's the one stuck in adolecence... Adult people don't judge stupidity because of musical tastes...
It's a fact then: the title of this thread is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
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American Khatru
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 08:54 |
Prog_Bassist wrote:
I hate the persecution too though, I find a lot of people consider people who like prog pretentious and so forth when we aren't! we just like a different style of music than them!!!
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Not pretentious?? Speak for yourself mack  .
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 Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 07:31 |
I hate the persecution too though, I find a lot of people consider people who like prog pretentious and so forth when we arent! we just like a different style of music than them!!!
the locals messageboards are the worst for this...scenesters...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 06:14 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 05:43 |
One problem lies in the term 'Progressive Rock' itself. For the casual music listener, if they've ever even heard of it, it often means an obscure branch of popular music from the eary seventies that died when Punk started.
For that quite large group it would be akin to listening to the seventies equivalent of Frank Sinatra and Elvis non-stop, just not quite so good.
Edited by npjnpj - June 24 2009 at 05:44
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 04:32 |
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I was never important enough to have low self esteem.
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hitting_singularity2
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 00:16 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I`m actually embarassd to use the phrase progrock because many people don`t even know what the hell it is. Just saying that I listen to all kinds of freaked out sh*t is easier. |
What about this?
I believe is embarasment to admit you like American Idol or being a hardcore fan of Justin Timberlake, because people know what kind of crap it is.
Iván
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hey, i happen to like Justin Timberlake (or Timbaland as he makes the beats(I hate Timbaland rapping, but he is a good producer))
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 22 2009 at 11:15 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Don`t get me wrong here. I just said it`s easier to say I listen to all kinds of freaked out s**t. This way it could mean anything from Metal Elvis to Brainticket. You`re safe this way. I have an occasional radio show and everyone there refers to me as the guy that plays the freaky sh*t. No Bob Marley, Indie Crap or Leonard Cohen, just the freaky sh*t. I can even play Siberian Khatru and call it freaky sh*t and then it becomes more acceptable to people.
As for American idol I think Cheryl Crow summed it up perfectly once she said, " Let`s face it, it undermines artand promotes commercialism. I am sad that people love it so". Or Ronnie James Dio, he refered to American Idol as American Karioke in 2006 saying, "Most people who watch American Idol are under 13 years old. Those who are over 13 years old have the brains of 10 year olds. " Not really fair to 10 year olds but I get the guy`s gist. |
Don't referred to you precisely Melt, when I use the word YOU, Im talking in what we know (In Spanish) as second impersonal persom, I use the word you to involve more the reader, I don't think Melt 88 as a person listens American Karaoke or Justin Timberlake, , but just use an impersonal second person.
Iván
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 22 2009 at 10:21 |
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Don`t get me wrong here. I just said it`s easier to say I listen to all kinds of freaked out s**t. This way it could mean anything from Metal Elvis to Brainticket. You`re safe this way. I have an occasional radio show and everyone there refers to me as the guy that plays the freaky sh*t. No Bob Marley, Indie Crap or Leonard Cohen, just the freaky sh*t. I can even play Siberian Khatru and call it freaky sh*t and then it becomes more acceptable to people.
As for American idol I think Cheryl Crow summed it up perfectly once she said, " Let`s face it, it undermines artand promotes commercialism. I am sad that people love it so". Or Ronnie James Dio, he refered to American Idol as American Karioke in 2006 saying, "Most people who watch American Idol are under 13 years old. Those who are over 13 years old have the brains of 10 year olds. " Not really fair to 10 year olds but I get the guy`s gist.
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American Khatru
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Posted: June 22 2009 at 05:18 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I`m actually embarassd to use the phrase progrock because many people don`t even know what the hell it is. Just saying that I listen to all kinds of freaked out sh*t is easier. |
What about this?
I believe is embarasment to admit you like American Idol or being a hardcore fan of Justin Timberlake, because people know what kind of crap it is.
Iván
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Glad you brought this up. When, on a day in my life, one person makes me, or attempts to make me, feel like a "weirdo" for saying I listened to Close to the Edge on the way to work, then later I observe some other person tell someone they watched "Idol" last night, or even God forbid voted, I think to myself, "shouldn't they be embarassed, aren't they the weirdos?" And I know I'm right... but "they" have the numbers. So you live with it. Ef 'em. Hardcore fans of the commercial-mill crap are really just semi-human scaffolding, agreed for some horrifying reason to put themselves in place so that a monumental tower of sh*te may stand seemingly for all eternity. And I too think that "people [people who don't give up their lives and identities in this way] know what kind of crap it is" for the most part.
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Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 21 2009 at 23:43 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I`m actually embarassd to use the phrase progrock because many people don`t even know what the hell it is. Just saying that I listen to all kinds of freaked out sh*t is easier. |
What about this?
I believe is embarasment to admit you like American Idol or being a hardcore fan of Justin Timberlake, because people know what kind of crap it is.
Iván
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Firdous e Bareen
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Posted: June 21 2009 at 23:12 |
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Meh. Most of my friends listen to progressive music, and I've never once heard anyone bag it out in real life. So I don't get this notion of there being some kind of prejudice against progressive rock fans. There's more popular progressive bands out there now than there has been in a long, long time - especially over the heavier side of things.
Edited by Firdous e Bareen - June 21 2009 at 23:14
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theteaclub_dan
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Posted: June 20 2009 at 21:19 |
The T wrote:
Really, reading some threads here in PA, i agree with DB... I don't know why we don't feature, instead of ads for bands, ads for Prozac and other anti-depression medication...
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You see, the thing about depression is, well, you just can't let it get you down. 
I recommend a fifth of jack and a bottle of Prozac...
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