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    Posted: July 24 2009 at 08:30
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

Prog had been dead in RUSH world since Moving Pictures.
Signals is plenty proggy, IMO, but I love the prevalance of synths on it.
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Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

Prog had been dead in RUSH world since Moving Pictures.
Signals is plenty proggy, IMO, but I love the prevalance of synths on it.
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I put them in this category:

the first is pure rock
from careless to moving pictures are pure prog rock
from signals to permanent  are between prog and Neo Prog
From Hold your fire to Role the Bones are modem Rock
and from Counterpart to present are just between hard, alternative rock albums
Prog had been dead in RUSH world since Moving Pictures.
However I still Love RUSH and only Hold your Fire is the album that I don't enjoy much.
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ClapI don't know about calling them art rock, but Rush's Moving Pictures, Signals, and Grace Under Pressure are all even-handed prog stand-outs. Worth mentioning is the first's "The Camera Eye" for pure listening adventure. Using FM's Ben Mink on the second's "Loosing It" was a solid affirmation of where the band wanted to go. Unfortunately, the band was soon to enter into a played out period with subsequent albums to follow.
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As everyone else has said, I've always thought prog rock and art rock were just interchangable terms.  And seeing as Rush is one of the least progressive bands to ever be considered progressive rock (art rock), I wouldn't push the term on them, but I guess you could....  Outside of Hemispheres I really only consider Rush a rock band with slight prog tendencies, since they are really really commercial and poppy
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If they weren't artrock and/or prog rock, then what we should call 'em?

Art rock, I think is fit. Because the music from Moving Pictures to Hold Your Fire (or even to Snakes & Arrows) are always beyond standard! Thus the term 'art rock' was born, because the rock band at a time doesn't sound like what it should... SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile
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Yeah, maybe it's art rock. Or synth rock, as a contrast to synth pop. Or, one an just say "80s Rush" because I've never heard a band that plays hard rock music like that with dominant synths.
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I think they are an excellent progband that has recorded several masterpieces in music. So, it wouldnīt be wrong to call them an ArtRock band.
 
In the other hand, I donīt value all prog rock as art-rock. Only a few recordings can be catalogued with that label. 


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art-rock means prog-rock. I would call their 80's outputs synth-pop/prog. In fact keyboards began to play a prominent role, and the production was competing the one of a frankie goes to hollywood on 'power windows'. Also one can hear a strong ska influence on 'grace under pressure', parallels with The Police are obvious. Noteworthy is the strong neo-prog feel to their songs. I must confess I prefer their 80's albums over their 70's ones, not because of the polished production, but because there was a huge improvement in vocals and music seems more entertaining and more "fresh" (an exception would be 'a farewell to kings' which for me is the best of their hard/prog days).
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By a spooky coincidence, I'm listening to XYZ as I read this thread. A fantastic piece of rock music, no matter what sub genre it is put in. I love the whole album, and they are one of the most consistent bands I have ever had the pleasure of listening to over the years.
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Listen boys don't look to hard into it, what we have are 3 lads who write play and produce music to a very high standard. Titles don't really matter that much,we all have our favourite Rush album, just don't make it Test For Echo
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They made a deliberate change to their style after Hemispheres and moved away from the concept albums towards a more concise approach.For me this was their best time as the production side aided by Geddy using more keyboards expanded and the music took on more layers. The lyrics especially on songs like Tom Sawyer and Freewill really hit home. Rush were one the best things in the eighties and avoided falling off a creative cliff like some of the other prog bands from the seventies.All credit to them for that.
Art Rock is certainly a fitting definition although that has always seemed to me to be a way of sweeping up bands and music that can't be neatly fitted into other genres.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by kingfriso kingfriso wrote:

I recently searched for my Moving Pictures lp and tried to listen to it again... and again...
I just can't get into their  music, it's not as progressive as the high grades made me think. I think they are more metal/heavy rock than prog. I found litlle artrock in their songs.

I suppose different ears hear different things.


ExactlyThumbs Up. Anyway, I give high grades to album because I believe they're good, not on the basis of their progressiveness or lack thereof. Personally, I don't think Moving Pictures has a whole to do with heavy metal or hard rock (unlike, for instance, Permanent Waves), while I hear quite a bit of influence from the so-called 'new wave' bands of the same period, especially The Police on "Vital Signs".
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Progressive rock is a subgenre of Art-Rock. If we consider music like a form of Art and Rock like a kind of music. In the 80's Rush were playing a mixture of Art-Rock and Fusion and in the 90'S it was more Art-Heavy Rock. Maybe the word "Progressive" is a little vague. 
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I don't know if it means anything but my VHS of the Grace Under Pressure tour was chewed up by my first machine many years ago.  I did manage to get in a few viewings before hand.
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i think moving pictures is sort of a proto-prog metal album with a lot of dubble bass pedals and heavy chords yoe can see were Dream Theater, Symphony x and other Prog metal bands got there chops from. as Moving Picture is the only Rush album i have an ive heard 2112 and its two differnt aproch

 the Camera Eye have the same ending as Fools Overture from 2:10 church clocks 
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After a time labels became less and less relevant to me. I love all those albums (Signals being the best, IMO) and that's what matters.
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Great point!
 
In fact looking back and listening to Rush these days makes for great lsistening on so many different levels.
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Originally posted by kingfriso kingfriso wrote:

I recently searched for my Moving Pictures lp and tried to listen to it again... and again...
I just can't get into their  music, it's not as progressive as the high grades made me think. I think they are more metal/heavy rock than prog. I found litlle artrock in their songs.

I suppose different ears hear different things.
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I recently searched for my Moving Pictures lp and tried to listen to it again... and again...
I just can't get into their  music, it's not as progressive as the high grades made me think. I think they are more metal/heavy rock than prog. I found litlle artrock in their songs.
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