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JJLehto
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Topic: The Atheist - Agnostic - Non religious thread Posted: February 04 2017 at 09:59 |
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Unfortunately it's a very likely situation. Pence has a huge amount of power in this administration, this is known. Pence tried to pass a bill Indiana making it legal to discriminate on religious grounds. He also has an extremely regressive record on LGBT Rights. I certainly can't blame you for that last line...even as an American I find it harder to disagree. The "people are generally good" is getting harder to tell myself and people I know personally I've had to slowly drift from, because some very disturbing things have bubbled up in recent years, things I can't accept. That so many Americans don't just like Trump but actually DO want his walls, bans, anti science, xenophobic, regressive policies leaves me depressed. All I can say is please remember only 46% voted for Trump. A solid majority did NOT want him, and more did choose Hillary Clinton. An archaic system that no longer represents true America is largely why he's here and in that regard, it was basically 100,000 ish people in a few states that got us here. Don't think America wants this, though far too many DO. Just don't hold us all liable friend As someone about to go through Brexit I think you can understand
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The T
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Posted: January 31 2017 at 07:12 | |||
Still, most people here didn't want this.
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Dean
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Posted: January 31 2017 at 00:13 | |||
Semantically perhaps, but even then that's open to interpretation. The world is littered with obsolete gods, we no longer need Horus to move the sun across the sky or Zephyrus to make the wind blow for example, in fact there is whole host of obsolete gods we no longer need that we've retired and shipped off to the Elysian Fields rest home for out of work gods in Eastbourne. Paraphrasing the shouty post to "is mankind's need for god obsolete?" removes any possible chance of ambiguity and misinterpretation and the obvious answer to that is no, as you imply in your next paragraph, there are many people on this earth who need to believe in a god for whatever reason (whether he exists or not). In contrast there are also many atheists in this world for whom the concept of god is not required. For my own part I would say that my need for god is obsolete and that does not require any god to ever have existed for me to say that. The 3,801 posts in this thread show atheists care to admit lots of things, least of all that many of us were born christian, (and in that religion-lottery if we had been born in a different part of the world we have been born into a different religion with a different god, and if we were born to different parents we could even have been born non-believers). So for some of us belief in god was something indoctrinated into us from a very early age. Through no choice of our own we were born "believers" whether we like it or not so understandably some atheists really did once believe that god was real and they also believed lots of other things that their religion had told them were true. Whether a god actually existed or not, the belief in that god was real enough ... and that's it: Gods do not have to exist for people to believe that they do.
[see above.] Furthermore, the need for a god must exist for us to have created one, in pretty much the same way as the need for the tooth fairy must have existed for us to have created one.
And in my (literally) 100s of posts in this thread I have gone to great length to explain how and why atheism isn't, and cannot be, a belief system.
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Dean
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Posted: January 30 2017 at 23:17 | |||
And if the rumours that the God-Emperor will sign an executive order allowing persecution of LGBTQ on the grounds of religious belief are true (and given his track-record thus far there is no reason to doubt this) then the USA has become a land that I no longer have any respect for what so ever.
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Posted: January 30 2017 at 17:20 | |||
^ Cool and how many man made Gods in those parallel Universes
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Tillerman88
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Posted: January 30 2017 at 16:58 | |||
^Well.....enough for me would be just parallel universes...........as much as parallel realities............illusionist mindsets I guess shoud be concerned about them. Just only one universe I think is not enough.............
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Posted: January 30 2017 at 15:19 | |||
For man to make up God and then decide that we don't need the concept of God anymore, God does not need to have existed. God is obsolete when dependant superstitious people realize that there is really no God thing, just the universe which I kinda think is enough...........
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Posted: January 30 2017 at 14:38 | |||
Of course, for God to be obsolete, or no longer needed, He must have existed and been relevant and needed in the first place, prior to becoming obsolete and no longer required. The question you ask presupposes this, probably not something a card carrying atheist would care to admit to, eh? For billions of people around the world, of many faiths, God plays a big part in their lives. This is a matter of fact. It does not prove God exists, but it does prove a massive belief in such a supposition. I have said before on this, and other, threads, the belief that God does not exist is as much a belief system as that which states that he does. |
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Posted: January 30 2017 at 14:04 | |||
IS GOD OBSOLETE OR DO WE NEED HIM?
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The T
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Posted: January 30 2017 at 13:23 | |||
And once more the sick power of religion has enabled thousands of people to stay silent when members of another religion are banned from a country, their country. Many supposedly "moral, decent" people who follow the cross are involved in this.
Once more, religion shows its true colors.
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Dean
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Posted: January 27 2017 at 09:53 | |||
On the topic of blasphemy, (thou' more accurately - profanity) and something that was raised in the fact or fiction thread, how many people here use religious expletives in everyday speech and does it matter whether you are religious or not if you do use them?
Some twenty years ago, while somewhere between not being a christian any more and the realisation that if 99.9999% of all the world's religions that ever existed were invented by mankind then they all were, I made a conscious decision to try and stop using specifically christian expletives. Initially this was simply because as I had come into close contact with several wiccans and new age types whose somewhat clumsy and incongruous use of a stylised re-imagining of pagan expletives (By Jove!) or pronouncement of some prosaic curse in lieu of cussing would leave you wondering if you'd accidentally wandered into an impromptu rehearsal for an Elizabethan play spoken entirely in iambic pentameter. Their gauche attempts to avoid naming a deity they no longer believed in got me thinking. If I too didn't believe in the god of the christians and his begotten son then what is the value in invoking their names in expletive? Is this some slack application of the inane aphorism that there are no atheists in a foxhole, so crying Jesus H Christ! whenever I stubbed my toe automatically revoked my membership of the atheists clique and I was reduced to the rank of indecisive agnostic forevermore? Well, suffice to say, the conclusion I reached was "no", it's just very difficult to undo forty odd years of religious indoctrination, and figures of speech are the hardest thing of all to change. Not using them in written language was, and still is, relatively easy especially since all keyboards come equipped with a backspace key. I'm still prone to typing the occasional "heaven only knows" or "go to hell" ... not that hell is christian word as such, or the concept of heaven is unique to christians, their invocation in this form from the pen of a native English speaker generally is. Then, in English there aren't any good alternatives that express exactly the same sentiment and meaning as those do. Of course you can get coarser and throw a "f'ck knows" or "f'ck off" in their stead but you can't bandy those around in polite company. But as religious oaths go they are relatively mild and while one must presume the existence of a heaven and/or a hell in order to to use those phrases in a literal sense, that isn't strictly necessary if they are used somewhat more figuratively. One could also argue that my use of them does not require me to believe either place exists, and neither does the person who I am saying it to have to believe that either - the only pact we share is that we both understand what the rebuke means. In everyday conversation avoiding religious profanity a lot harder, especially when everyone around you is using them and you'd spent the first half of your life as a christian. As I said in t'other thread: "should someone pour a glass of iced water down my back I'm pretty confident that in the tirade of expletive[s] that will inevitably ensue several religious oaths will be uttered" and if I was atheist before that tirade then I'll be an atheist after it too. |
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Logan
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Posted: January 24 2017 at 13:40 | |||
Should Canada's Blasphemous Libel Law be repealed?
http://centreforinquiry.ca/canadas-blasphemous-libel-law/
It's too late to sign the petition: https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-382 Edited by Logan - January 24 2017 at 13:43 |
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The T
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Posted: January 24 2017 at 09:33 | |||
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The T
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Posted: January 24 2017 at 00:06 | |||
There's a sucker born every minute............
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 23:05 | |||
Speaking of Athiest, they're a cool band
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Dean
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 23:00 | |||
Ask L Ron Hoover
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 16:20 | |||
What battery size do they take???
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 16:02 | |||
We do need a church of Appliantology thread, can't discriminate against them either.....
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 15:50 | |||
You bet, now that my kinda Deity. I'm guessing it was not a pure religion ...........
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