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Snow Dog
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Topic: List manipulation? Posted: January 09 2011 at 14:06 |
Dean wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
Maybe it's an internet cafe which happens to be used by many progheads?
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Statistics and probability says: "really?"
Snow Dog wrote:
^ Thing I'll have a Progachino! |
Frippachino surely. |
Definitely
And my friend will have a Yespresso!
Edited by Snow Dog - January 09 2011 at 14:07
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Dean
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 14:02 |
Tuzvihar wrote:
Maybe it's an internet cafe which happens to be used by many progheads?
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Statistics and probability says: "really?"
Snow Dog wrote:
^ Thing I'll have a Progachino! |
Frippachino surely.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 13:18 |
^ Thing I'll have a Progachino!
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 13:17 |
Maybe it's an internet cafe which happens to be used by many progheads?
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski
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Dean
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:47 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Thanks Dean. I agree that the chances of having 44 guys from the same region on Venezuela having the same ISP with this peculiar network architecture, who were having PA accounts and were interested in the same albums are very, very low. |
Quite. Generally that's not enough, but it's a good indication that I need to investigate further.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:45 |
The ironic/tragic thing is that the album in question is a genuine superb album which does not need this kind of a bull**** type of support. That's my $ 20 opinion.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:38 |
Thanks Dean. I agree that the chances of having 44 guys from the same region on Venezuela having the same ISP with this peculiar network architecture, who were having PA accounts and were interested in the same albums are very, very low.
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Dean
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:33 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Are you talking about BADGUY666? That he matches 44 usernaames? I don't get it. |
Admins have access to data you cannot see and don't have access to. We can correlate usernames with reviews and ratings using tools in the Admin panel - again I don't want to reveal too much in public as that kind of information can be used make it harder for us to track the badguys.
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Dean
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:29 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
I have one question about IPs, do you guys have the means to make the difference between such a pure villain and the case of that network architecture that assigned all the customers from the network the same IP? Last year I was using a mobile internet provider who had this type of network, all their customers from a whole region had the same IP. [I didn't notice this until many websites told me that I can't access their services because my IP seems to be accesing them already at that time (meaning that someone with the same IP as mine was accessing the site right then).] |
Don't want to reveal too much in public, but let's just say on the global scale of things we are a small site with a limited number of visitors so statistics come into play.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:25 |
Dean wrote:
Tony R wrote:
List manipulation:
Note username. Posted in November. |
Just a quick update on this to keep people in the picture (so to speak)
The IP address matched 44 usernames and 314 revews/ratings - that's above and beyond coincidence and it's going to take a while to sort that lot out so please bear with us.
ta. |
Are you talking about BADGUY666? That he matches 44 usernaames? I don't get it.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 09 2011 at 07:23 |
I have one question about IPs, do you guys have the means to make the difference between such a pure villain and the case of that network architecture that assigned all the customers from the network the same IP? Last year I was using a mobile internet provider who had this type of network, all their customers from a whole region had the same IP. [I didn't notice this until many websites told me that I can't access their services because my IP seems to be accesing them already at that time (meaning that someone with the same IP as mine was accessing the site right then).]
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Dean
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 08:38 |
Tony R wrote:
List manipulation:
Note username. Posted in November. |
Just a quick update on this to keep people in the picture (so to speak)
The IP address matched 44 usernames and 314 revews/ratings - that's above and beyond coincidence and it's going to take a while to sort that lot out so please bear with us.
ta.
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Dean
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 06:49 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Thanks Dean. But I thought the word "sanction" can be used like that. The UN put sanctions on, say, Libya or North Korea, don't they? |
It's one of those tricky words that can mean restrinctions imposed upon, or authoritative approval for. It means a "sacred law" where the law itself can either approve or punish. Generally if you use it to mean punishment you mean it as measures to prevent an illicit action, rather than measures as the result of an illicit action.
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Dean
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 06:39 |
^^ have you done a reviews search on IP address for that puppy?
Edited by Dean - January 07 2011 at 06:42
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 06:37 |
I don't know about Kobaia, but "Sanction" is a word much used in both IT, in the business world and in employment cases in the English speaking world.
......but I think most people here is berating Dean & the admins for not use the ultimate type of Kobaian sanctions.
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Tony R
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 06:32 |
List manipulation:
Note username. Posted in November.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 05:49 |
Thanks Dean. But I thought the word "sanction" can be used like that. The UN put sanctions on, say, Libya or North Korea, don't they?
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Dean
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 05:42 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Question: is the sanction for ratings manipulation an IP ban or just a simple account suspension? |
"sanction" is the wrong word Alex. We don't sanction ratings manipulation.
The punishment is account suspension, and where possible IP blocking.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 07 2011 at 05:25 |
Question: is the sanction for ratings manipulation an IP ban or just a simple account suspension?
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 03 2011 at 18:06 |
I am helping them as much as I can - these are my limits unfortunately.
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