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Philamelian
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Topic: Nuclear Weapons. Posted: October 16 2009 at 06:19 |
Getting rid of weapons means getting rid of the idea of war for me. You must be so hopeful to expect such kind of wisdom from humankind. We are somehow still in the very beginning of humankinds evoluation. There is no difference than stupid tribe fights than, wars for nation, wars for religion ... How many wars or fights aims a sustainable peace and throughout progress for humankind's future. The sense of belonging is a primitive thing and source of destruction in many cases.
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The Block
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Posted: October 14 2009 at 19:58 |
The world will never be rid of them as long as Dream Theater is playing, for once they have the song it will destroy the world
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Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!
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jampa17
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Posted: October 09 2009 at 17:21 |
Alitare wrote:
I had to pick yes. there is no logical way I could pick no or maybe. The world will eventually end, and therefore, will be rid of nuclear weapons. We will probably use said nuclear weapons to vaporize the planet, but after that, no more nuclear weapons.
Call it a pragmatic technicality. ![Tongue Tongue](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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Agree... of course, some of us will survive, will survive in small countries that do not have technology enough to be destroyed... and then there will be no more nuclear weapons... I really see it like that... after that... we will change... until our children forgot and start everything all over again... ![Dead Dead](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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A Person
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 23:07 |
That's why we should work to create a weapon that will annihilate all life forms, if I'm going down all the creepy crawlies should go down too. Off course, there should be a shelter for all cute animals, with food synthesizers to provide food after the holocaust. I wouldn't want the bunnies to be hungry, but all the spiders and bees can die a long slow death for all I would care at that point.
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valravennz
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 22:40 |
The Pessimist wrote:
CPicard wrote:
Conor Fynes wrote:
of course, once they annihilate the world =) |
How true!
No, not true: nuclear weapons couldn't annihilate the world. They could annihilate any lifeform, except scorpions and tardigrads.
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And Keith Richards.
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and Cockroaches - urgh! Imagine being outlived by such vile insects!!
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
- Robert Fripp
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The Pessimist
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 12:22 |
CPicard wrote:
Conor Fynes wrote:
of course, once they annihilate the world =) |
How true!
No, not true: nuclear weapons couldn't annihilate the world. They could annihilate any lifeform, except scorpions and tardigrads.
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And Keith Richards.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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CPicard
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 08:20 |
Conor Fynes wrote:
of course, once they annihilate the world =) |
How true! No, not true: nuclear weapons couldn't annihilate the world. They could annihilate any lifeform, except scorpions and tardigrads.
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 23:50 |
of course, once they annihilate the world =)
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J-Man
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 15:28 |
hmmm... I guess either we put an end to the world using nuclear weapons, or they never go away.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 14:15 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Don't know how to answer to the big question, but I could not hesitate to link as flavour pic to the discussion a pic about "rope trick effect", where the explosion shockwave runs faster in the cables holding the device than in air.
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Thats an amazing pic. Is that the split second of the detonation?
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CPicard
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 14:04 |
The Pessimist wrote:
Yes. But only if we come across a more powerful weapon. Example, you don't see many wars fought with axes nowadays do you?
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No, and that's why the nowadays world sucks.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 12:58 |
Don't know how to answer to the big question, but I could not hesitate to link as flavour pic to the discussion a pic about "rope trick effect", where the explosion shockwave runs faster in the cables holding the device than in air.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 11:27 |
Yes. But only if we come across a more powerful weapon. Example, you don't see many wars fought with axes nowadays do you?
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Arnold Schoenberg
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camilleanne
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 21:09 |
I think not..It's a great weapon during wars.
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The planet is fine the people are f**ked.
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darksinger
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 13:24 |
Blacksword wrote:
darksinger wrote:
nuclear weapons have become a symbol of global power and fear. even if the usa and europe eradicate nuclear weapons, other nations will seek to acquire them to show their advancement into being a global power. |
Indeed. They are basically bargaining chips. Countries like Iran and North Korea want these weapons, because they know the US and her allies will leave them alone. |
it also is power...iran does not necessarily want us to leave them alone, they seek influence in the middle east, especially in regards to religious zealotry and to the presence of israel. north korea has a leader that is dying and probably does not give a rat's ass now who he pisses off.
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darksinger
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 13:22 |
JJLehto wrote:
darksinger wrote:
nuclear weapons have become a symbol of global power and fear. even if the usa and europe eradicate nuclear weapons, other nations will seek to acquire them to show their advancement into being a global power. |
Yup, it's pretty f*cking stupid. We had to go back and forth with the Soviets saying "oh look at me! I can wipe out the planet" "yeah? I can wipe out the planet twice"
Really the Cold War was just 2 kids on a playground trying to run it.
And now we all have matured....but there's the new generation of kids on the playground...
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it was more elaborate than that-the weapons actually kept two mostly rational nations from going to war. during the cold war, there were representational fights and small wars, but the thing keeping the usa and the ussr from launching into a huge full blown death and destrction war was the fact that neither wanted to be the one that set forth the wheels of annihilation. the problem with nuclear weapons in the hands of religious radicals such as iran or rogue nations such as north korea (they are a chinese puppet that is now refusing to listen to china) is they are more interested in wreaking havoc than in using diplomacy to avoid war. iran is without a doubt the biggest factor in the terrorism being carried out in the middle east. they would have no qualms turning over nuclear warheads to hamas or hezbollah to cause mayhem. similarly, north korea could hand over nuclear weapons to enemies of the usa, europe or even china to prove a point and to get funding.
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 12:59 |
darksinger wrote:
nuclear weapons have become a symbol of global power and fear. even if the usa and europe eradicate nuclear weapons, other nations will seek to acquire them to show their advancement into being a global power. |
Indeed. They are basically bargaining chips. Countries like Iran and North Korea want these weapons, because they know the US and her allies will leave them alone.
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JJLehto
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 12:57 |
darksinger wrote:
nuclear weapons have become a symbol of global power and fear. even if the usa and europe eradicate nuclear weapons, other nations will seek to acquire them to show their advancement into being a global power. |
Yup, it's pretty f*cking stupid. We had to go back and forth with the Soviets saying "oh look at me! I can wipe out the planet" "yeah? I can wipe out the planet twice" Really the Cold War was just 2 kids on a playground trying to run it. And now we all have matured....but there's the new generation of kids on the playground...
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darksinger
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 12:39 |
nuclear weapons have become a symbol of global power and fear. even if the usa and europe eradicate nuclear weapons, other nations will seek to acquire them to show their advancement into being a global power.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: June 05 2009 at 08:43 |
Nope.
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