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Topic: USA vs UK progressive Posted: August 17 2010 at 17:38
Definitely UK!
By the way, I´ve created a similar thread about 2 months ago, without poll...
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 17:44
zicIy wrote:
thank you for the answer, Micky!
P.S. bad boys -suspected U.S. progressive rock
heheh.. I liked that pic... but as someone noted... where was Jaimoe... he was busted as well. Guess the early 70's in the south were really that bad ..what ...not even a mug shot
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Posted: March 13 2009 at 14:54
zicIy wrote:
micky wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
I'd argue that he probably fits closer with Art Rock than Progressive Rock given his shock rock status, and being that he is as much, if not more so, about the performance as he is about the music. And despite my comments on the previous page I do not associate Alice Cooper with progressive rock either, however, as has since been mentioned, it is also not something that can be completely dismissed either.
my earlier post was.. I thought was obvious with the Elvis quip... tongue in cheek. Of course he has some relation to prog.. what is prog.... if you cut TO THE BONE. It is the merging of rock music with the artistic aesthetic. DId he do that... in his own funny way. He did. Enough to be included here?... god knows..I don't think so.. but what do I know. As I said.. if you added every artist in the 70's who dabbled with arts in music. This would be allmusic.com. It comes down in the end to the music... and in that... I think most would agree he just didn't measure up to that.
no, Micky, not allmusic.com! i agree it could be like All Soul's Day then. i agree that´s non sense to add "every artist in 70's who dabbled with arts in music". imho, the best way is to make separated PA forums like this: British Prog, American Prog, Italian Prog, German Prog, Scandinavia Prog, etc, etc,. for example Frank Zappa...he was very progressive and he was great, no question, but he has nothing in common with (great) British Progressive Rock movement of late 60's - '70s.
when all of these (great) artists are together in the same bunch, the confussion will never stop! of course, hey, this is just my little suggestion and i don´t expect that someone here is gonna take it seriosly. for now.
cheers!
cheers back ya hahahha. as far as your suggestion... like any suggestion here... at the core of it there are valid points. German and Italian prog are rightly acknowledged for their unique sound and differences.. while English prog in a way exists... or did at some point here in 3 subgenres. Canterbury, Jazz-Rock, and Symphonic. Now American prog... someone earlier in this thread hit the nail on the head. While exceptions always exist .. in general you can say that American prog has more more an element of popular music in it. Should make sense... while the Europeans were raised steep in classical music and sh*t like that... us dumbsh*t Americans were diggin' the blues, jazz, and crooning to Sinatra and Sammy Davis hahah. Anyway.. to your point... could American prog be seperated.. perhaps...but changes like that either have to have massive backing from the membership or quite a case in print, internet land or scholarly studies. The suggestion as you say..won't be implemented but not because it would dismissed out of hand... there isn't much of any kind of basis for support for it. Hell.. I don't even think I would either. There just isn't much basis to go on by stating such a thing as 'American Prog' exists. There is with some like Germany and Italy.. with years of print and public recognition of their uniqueness. Not sure if there is anything like that with American prog..
long reply.. but wanted to you to know I saw your post. Suggestions get taken seriously... but of course not all are implemented.
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Posted: March 13 2009 at 03:01
micky wrote:
My whole problem with PR.. but that is another subject.. beat to death long ago.
if you think Prog Related...yes, that´s problem, but "only" because PR genre and PR bands never existed at all, only the certains albums. as Mr. Seyo said once ( it was The Grateful Dead-for-prog-related discussion, if i recal my memories well), only the list of the PR albums is applicable! for example the albums by The Who... Tommy the original album is proto prog, no doubt; Tommy the film music is the perfect example for prog related music of '70s, same with "Who's Next", "Quadrophenia" and "Who Are You" album. ..."Live at Leeds" album have ZERO of Prog, as same as post-Moon "Face Dances"album which is AOR (Adult Oriented Rock) aswell. so, especialy for youngest members of PA who are gonna to digg that ancient music - it could be huge confussion.
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Posted: March 13 2009 at 02:14
micky wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
I'd argue that he probably fits closer with Art Rock than Progressive Rock given his shock rock status, and being that he is as much, if not more so, about the performance as he is about the music. And despite my comments on the previous page I do not associate Alice Cooper with progressive rock either, however, as has since been mentioned, it is also not something that can be completely dismissed either.
my earlier post was.. I thought was obvious with the Elvis quip... tongue in cheek. Of course he has some relation to prog.. what is prog.... if you cut TO THE BONE. It is the merging of rock music with the artistic aesthetic. DId he do that... in his own funny way. He did. Enough to be included here?... god knows..I don't think so.. but what do I know. As I said.. if you added every artist in the 70's who dabbled with arts in music. This would be allmusic.com. It comes down in the end to the music... and in that... I think most would agree he just didn't measure up to that.
no, Micky, not allmusic.com! i agree it could be like All Soul's Day then. i agree that´s non sense to add "every artist in 70's who dabbled with arts in music". imho, the best way is to make separated PA forums like this: British Prog, American Prog, Italian Prog, German Prog, Scandinavia Prog, etc, etc,. for example Frank Zappa...he was very progressive and he was great, no question, but he has nothing in common with (great) British Progressive Rock movement of late 60's - '70s.
when all of these (great) artists are together in the same bunch, the confussion will never stop! of course, hey, this is just my little suggestion and i don´t expect that someone here is gonna take it seriosly. for now.
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 20:26
Dim wrote:
micky wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
There are those that would beg to differ on Alice Cooper. A semi-recent discussion had those who were citing the shock rocker's progginess. There was even some mention regarding his latest concept album release.
a concept album not a prog album make.....
Yeah... then why are the Who here?
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There are those that would beg to differ on Alice Cooper. A semi-recent discussion had those who were citing the shock rocker's progginess. There was even some mention regarding his latest concept album release.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 22:04
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Sacred 22 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
^ Japanese cars
Indeed, I hope he meant bestselling cars! They do have a wide range of offerings across the board, no denying, but where are those Lamborghinis?
The Japanese don't make cars that are as flashy as the Italians but if you want a good reliable vehicle look no further than Honda or Toyota. The Japanese small trucks are now ahead of even the American small truck manufacturers. If you are looking for a really good roadster you must consider the Honda S2000.
Hey, I was a mechanic and I swear by the Japanese vehicles.
You and your mate will look good in the gem below without looking overly pretentious like say Keith Emerson , plus the design and execution of the S2000 is world class.
Just drive one and you will see.
Lol, man, you know, the only cars I can hope to afford at least at this point are small Japanese cars, that's why the disdain. My dad has had a Japanese car, and Indian one and now an American car and by far, the best one was the Japanese. But...those Italian beauties are like mythical Gods. If it's an illusion, I don't want it to be disturbed. Oh, and looking overly pretentious seems like a definite turn on for me, maybe I might even dress up as Brittannia just to shock the other guys on the road.
Hey, if you got the cheese Ferrari will aim to please but I would take the Honda S2000 over a Ferrari. I once had a Dodge Viper to drive for a day and it was all I could do to keep the damn thing at the speed limit and most of the time I had to drive around in third gear with a 6 speed box at my disposal. The S2000 is a four banger with all kinds of thrill and it's rear wheel drive to boot. It can be had for under 40K. Not bad for a car that has a 8000 RPM redline.
Oh and as far as the thread goes, Alice is about as progrssive as Elvis is. Hey the Beatles are not progressive either, but they are here anyway. So, maybe this site is starting to resemble 'Music Archives'
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 21:15
Sacred 22 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
^ Japanese cars
Indeed, I hope he meant bestselling cars! They do have a wide range of offerings across the board, no denying, but where are those Lamborghinis?
The Japanese don't make cars that are as flashy as the Italians but if you want a good reliable vehicle look no further than Honda or Toyota. The Japanese small trucks are now ahead of even the American small truck manufacturers. If you are looking for a really good roadster you must consider the Honda S2000.
Hey, I was a mechanic and I swear by the Japanese vehicles.
You and your mate will look good in the gem below without looking overly pretentious like say Keith Emerson , plus the design and execution of the S2000 is world class.
Just drive one and you will see.
Lol, man, you know, the only cars I can hope to afford at least at this point are small Japanese cars, that's why the disdain. My dad has had a Japanese car, and Indian one and now an American car and by far, the best one was the Japanese. But...those Italian beauties are like mythical Gods. If it's an illusion, I don't want it to be disturbed. Oh, and looking overly pretentious seems like a definite turn on for me, maybe I might even dress up as Brittannia just to shock the other guys on the road.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 21:05
Well, at least none of us, that I've noticed are saying that Alice
Cooper was ever prog, though I think he has music that is prog-related
to whatever extent. The Alice Cooper band's debut bears both the influence
of Frank Zappa and Pink Floyd I'd say, but it's more psych than proggy. Been quite a few years since I last heard it. And I think the
follow-up had some Prog Related merits. Prog-Related to an extent at best, I'd say, based on memory. I used to be big on Alice Cooper long ago.
EDIT: Serious digression, but what do I know, I think of Cream as Proto-Prog.
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 18:07
micky wrote:
Logan wrote:
Okay, sorry, Micky for taking it so literally. Methinks that one of the effects of having stopped smoking recently is that as the nicotine levels go down, the pedanticism goes up.
that is why it is going to take Raff locking the bedroom door for me to finally quit
Plenty of sleep and exercise is the best way to quit. If one is locked
in a bedroom with someone one loves, one can get plenty of both. Just
make sure to store plenty of snacks and powerades ... some oysters in
the bedroom mini-fridge....
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 17:42
Logan wrote:
Okay, sorry, Micky for taking it so literally. Methinks that one of the effects of having stopped smoking recently is that as the nicotine levels go down, the pedanticism goes up.
that is why it is going to take Raff locking the bedroom door for me to finally quit
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