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    Posted: February 27 2009 at 02:34
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

You know, being deep in the US immigration issue, I have seen what can happen to people who try to petition for a foreign spouse or fiancée when being tagged as 'sex offenders' for having had CONSENSUAL sex with someone underage. I would say that putting these people on the same level as REAL sex offenders, and to all intents and purposes sabotaging their lives, is totally absurd.
Well, laws are laws. Like Clint Eastwood says in Magnum Force : "I hate the godamn system. But until someone comes along with some changes that make sense. I`ll stick with it."  I think laws like this protect more people than they harm. It`s just the same as drinking and driving laws. If you don`t do it you don`t have anything to worry about it. I`ve travelled to at least 15 countries and have always made it a point to familiarize myself with any weird laws that any country might have.

laws are NOT simply laws. there is always the words of a law and the spirit of a law. a law is made for a purpose; If a case arises where following the laws to the letter would simply be absurd or inhuman or contrary to the purpose then it is high time to think of the spirit of the law.
"laws are Laws" also is the cheap excuse some people who committed what we call crimes today during the Nazi era but which were perfectly legal then. would you agree with them? I don't, though I admit it may not have been easy to choose in a given situation back then. and in today's world we live in a very different situation than the people during the Nazi regime in most countries, and choosing is definitely easier


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Originally posted by TheCaptain TheCaptain wrote:

I'll say that if you ever have to live next to a registered sex offender or you ever encounter one, make sure you get their story and a police record. Sex offender paranoia is a problem and here's a list with a few examples: http://theirtoys.com/sexblog/sex-offender-paranoia-weve-gone-too-far.ht

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That one^ I find absolutely ridiculous.If i were in America i'd probably be deported for the amount of times I've urinated in public.Never in a city centre mind.

Thats Not to say the laws are only absurd in America



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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

You know, being deep in the US immigration issue, I have seen what can happen to people who try to petition for a foreign spouse or fiancée when being tagged as 'sex offenders' for having had CONSENSUAL sex with someone underage. I would say that putting these people on the same level as REAL sex offenders, and to all intents and purposes sabotaging their lives, is totally absurd.
Well, laws are laws. Like Clint Eastwood says in Magnum Force : "I hate the godamn system. But until someone comes along with some changes that make sense. I`ll stick with it."  I think laws like this protect more people than they harm. It`s just the same as drinking and driving laws. If you don`t do it you don`t have anything to worry about it. I`ve travelled to at least 15 countries and have always made it a point to familiarize myself with any weird laws that any country might have.


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There is often an hysteria about sex offenders. Hug a child and give it a kiss, especially if you are male, and you become a sex offender. There are some other forums Jean and I are on, and when I remarked on one of these forums that we bathe with our kids some people behaved as if we were sex offenders. Goddess, there is nothing more natural than a mother bathing with her kid, especially if it is a small kid. And I would have no problems bathing with one of my daughters in about 10 years. We have a big tub which easily allows two grown ups to bathe together, and two kids will also fit in provided they are not too big. Our kids are becoming a bit too big now, so we either need an even bigger tub or have to give up the habit of family bathing. We always had lots of fun bathing together, and it was definitely NOT sexual fun


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I'll say that if you ever have to live next to a registered sex offender or you ever encounter one, make sure you get their story and a police record. Sex offender paranoia is a problem and here's a list with a few examples: http://theirtoys.com/sexblog/sex-offender-paranoia-weve-gone-too-far.html

Also one more story from social news site reddit.com (which is where I got the above article)

Quote Preface: I'm the father of two daughters, this happened with my youngest 4 years ago. I live in the US.

On the last day of preschool, my childs school had an outing for all the kids with face painting, games, etc... One of the attractions was a huge inflated bounce house. To get in you had to take off your shoes. When my daughter got out, I grabbed her shoes and helped her get them on. As I am doing that, another little girl from her class comes over and asks if I can help her. So I do. Soon a line is behind her all w/ kids waiting to have help with their shoes.

At this point I look over at the principal and a teacher. They nod, smile, and give me the go ahead (I was very active with my childern in the school system, still am). As I'm finishing up on one of the last kids I notice a middle aged woman giving me the evil eye. I finish up the last child, help him stand up and my daughter and I walk to the next attraction.

While my daughter is playing the woman giving me the stink eye comes over and proceeds to tell me what a horrible pedo I am. Needless to say I was in shock. Not only did she berate me, but she's yelling it. She actually got on her phone and called the police.

Three hours after the police arrive and have talked to everyone (with me in handcuffs in a cruiser and my daughter crying her eyes out) they take me out, apoligize and explain they had to cuff me and leave.

All this over helping some kids get their shoes on and stand up after sitting on the ground.
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Hey!  These weirdos are incurable. I`d better not say what I would do with them here. 
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.
The thing is, we don't know how to rehabilitate the real sex offenders. Even if statuatory rape and the other relatively minor offenses were struck from the registry, the laws are arguably excessive, as we don't impose such restrictions on murderers, but on the other hand, we can't "cure" them so we have no idea what they will do. Not that a law prohibiting them from going within 1,000 feet of a pool will actually prevent them from going to the pool to molest people, but I guess we are obligated to try.


In Germany we have laws that *in theory* mean that offenders who are suffering from conditions that make them a threat to society are not released from custody after their time in jail ... instead they're transferred to mental homes. I think that's the only sensible thing to do - if someone molested a child and is bound to do it again, you simply must not give him a chance to do so. But what you're doing over there - releasing them and then constantly harassing them and exposing them to angry/scared people - simply doesn't make much sense to me. Having said that, I should also say that the situation isn't perfect here ... we have those laws, but the difficult part is obviously to determine whether someone poses a permanent threat to society (no rehabilitation possible) or not.
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You know, being deep in the US immigration issue, I have seen what can happen to people who try to petition for a foreign spouse or fiancée when being tagged as 'sex offenders' for having had CONSENSUAL sex with someone underage. I would say that putting these people on the same level as REAL sex offenders, and to all intents and purposes sabotaging their lives, is totally absurd.
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Yeah, whatever happened to the idea of expunging the crimes of minors from the record (even if you could consider this a crime)?  Here's something I found interesting in the article:
 
"But state law at the time said it was statutory rape for either an adult or a minor to have sex with someone under the age of 16."
 
So if they were both 14 at the time would they have both gone to jail and both been labelled sex offenders?  Confused


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Thats ridiculous.  Both people were under 18, and consensually had intercourse.  No one should have gone to jail for that.  And no one should have to be oppressed by laws that are targeted towards people that actually did something horrible to children.  Clearly, something must be done about this.  
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I think there is a big difference between a child molester / murderer and two kids of 17 and 14 having sex. People should realize this can happen when people are young and discover their sexuality. There is absolutely no reason to ruin someones life forever because this happened.


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Sometimes the laws go to far but overall I see no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Maybe what is needed is a board that people like the one in the article state to appeal them having register publicly but need to register with the local police.  Whenever there is a suspected child abduction the authorities should have a list of people that have already committed such crimes to interview.  I am sorry but I feel that is a necessary evil and parents should know about where the real bad ones are. I certainly wouldn't let my kid walk past one of their houses alone.



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Originally posted by James James wrote:

I agree with Stonie on this.

I am not condoning it, of course not.  However, people make mistakes.  Some people also want to sort their lives out after doing something like this.

Are they not allowed that right in some cases?  The multi-offenders, sure, they deserve to be punished more.  It all depends on the individual case.

Also some people get branded as sex offenders when they're not one, just because some 14 year old doesn't like you, or something.  It does happen.

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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.


Exactly this.

The whole idea of prison is that, once you get out of it, you have paid your debt to society and are, for all intents and purposes, an innocent person.
I think parole type restrictions are fair. Society is saying that we trust you enough to let you out of prison, but not enough yet to do whatever you want. The problem is when they go too far.


I agree with this as well.  But that should be decided on a case by case basis (with guidelines to help the judge decide), not as a blanket rule that ruins the lives of people who've paid off their debt to society (and perhaps even more than that).
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.
The thing is, we don't know how to rehabilitate the real sex offenders. Even if statuatory rape and the other relatively minor offenses were struck from the registry, the laws are arguably excessive, as we don't impose such restrictions on murderers, but on the other hand, we can't "cure" them so we have no idea what they will do. Not that a law prohibiting them from going within 1,000 feet of a pool will actually prevent them from going to the pool to molest people, but I guess we are obligated to try.


That's the thing: If a person murders someone and gets out of prison, they aren't blacklisted from society, are they?
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Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.


Exactly this.

The whole idea of prison is that, once you get out of it, you have paid your debt to society and are, for all intents and purposes, an innocent person.
I think parole type restrictions are fair. Society is saying that we trust you enough to let you out of prison, but not enough yet to do whatever you want. The problem is when they go too far.
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.


Exactly this.

The whole idea of prison is that, once you get out of it, you have paid your debt to society and are, for all intents and purposes, an innocent person.
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.
The thing is, we don't know how to rehabilitate the real sex offenders. Even if statuatory rape and the other relatively minor offenses were struck from the registry, the laws are arguably excessive, as we don't impose such restrictions on murderers, but on the other hand, we can't "cure" them so we have no idea what they will do. Not that a law prohibiting them from going within 1,000 feet of a pool will actually prevent them from going to the pool to molest people, but I guess we are obligated to try.
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I still think he should have used a johnny or something. Just common sense really, I mean who would want to have a kid at 17? Not me for one thing, and most people I hear of have kids that young due to carelessness. On that note, he should have thought it through better. Having said that, the laws are completely ridiculous. I don't even think a prison sentence was worthy, let alone the further punishment. I think life has its way of punishing some people enough, and having to look after a kid at 17 with a 14 year old is pretty hardgoing enough. Not saying that kids are a punishment, but they would have definitely learned their lesson.
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I think some people are not bothering to read the article. This guy had sex with his girlfriend who willfully committed to it and they even got married later! My parents are 6 years apart in age and this guy was only 3 years apart from his girlfriend. That's just wrong what they did to him.
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