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 Topic: Is Master Of Puppets the greatest thrash album???
Posted: March 07 2009 at 17:12 |
 progkidjoel wrote:
I would say MOP is the greatest metal album of all time, and greatest metallica album, but i wouldnt say its thrash. much more high class. |
I agree as far as MoP isn't a thrash album in the same way that KEA is, or Testament, Kreator, Dark Angel, Slayer etc are.
MoP, like RTL, has thrash on it, but it's a completely new way of expressing heavy metal compared to anything that went before it except RTL.
It blends thrash with other metal styles - it's the ultimate metal hybrid and remains a benchmark; it's technical, but not as overtly (and hence slightly repellently) technical as Megadeth or Watchtower, it's melodic and catchy, but not cheesey like "Pop" metal bands such as Bon Jovi or Def Leppard, and it's dark and intense but not as extreme or hard core as Slayer, Death, Voi Vod, Celtic Frost or Napalm Death.
It's the figurehead for metal in the 1980s - the benchmark of what a metal album can be, and remains a classic nearly 23 years down the line.
It's one of the greatest Metal albums ever released (whatever prefix you want to give it)., and compares well to Black Sabbath, In Rock, Stained Class, Heaven and Hell, Ace of Spades, Frost and Fire, Number of the Beast and In the Court of the Crimson King as a genre-changing album - if not more so than most.
But it's so far ahead of the competition in terms of composition that it's really Progressive Metal in the truest sense of the term - as compared to Progressive Rock - maybe not Prog Metal as it's known now, but it embodies the spirit and is true to the letter to any definition.
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 13:04 |
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^ It's still widely considered thrash. Sure the title track had a nice break in the middle, but it's still surrounded by thrash. There is a little more to it than just thrash, but it is still a thrash metal album.
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 04:36 |
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I would say MOP is the greatest metal album of all time, and greatest metallica album, but i wouldnt say its thrash. much more high class.
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:48 |
Rust In Peace was/is, IMO, the greatest thrash album ever produced...I say that mainly b/c of Friedman - he's just siiick on that one 
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:46 |
Negoba wrote:
Kashmir also does the chromatic rise under the D chord. It probably wasn't the first, but the most famous.
Holy Wars.......need head banger smiley. That last riff before Mustaine's solo.....yesssssss. |
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:40 |
Kashmir also does the chromatic rise under the D chord. It probably wasn't the first, but the most famous.
Holy Wars.......need head banger smiley. That last riff before Mustaine's solo.....yesssssss.
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 19:08 |
Negoba wrote:
It depends what counts as thrash. In terms of heavy, must bang my head, records, I'd put Garage Days Re-revisited up for consideration.
And though Holy Wars is up there with the best metal songs ever, I like Peace Sells as an album better. Wake Up Dead and Peace Sells are both among there in my top 10 thrash songs.
Hangar 18???? GMAFB, not only is it about the government hiding aliens, it recycles the same riff Mustaine used in writing Call of Kluthtutu which was itself a rip off of Kashmir.
How many here had Megadeth's first album "Killing is my Business?" In terms of raw speed metal, that one was fun. "Mechanix" which was the song "Four Horsemen" with Mustaine's original cheese lyrics, is a great listen, as they play it much faster than Metallica. |
I really don't see the connection between Call of Ktulu and Kashmir to be honest, each to their own. Sure enough, Hangar uses parts of what he wrote for Call of Ktulu but there's no denying the song takes a totally different twist once it leaves the section in D minor. I always thought of the first two songs off Rust In Peace, lyrically anyway, to be something to that was meant to be taken light heartedly and humorously. Well, no, not the Holy Wars part of the first track, but the Punishment Due section is just about a Marvel comic book character anyway  Yeah, heard their first album plenty of times. You can tell the band spent too much of the money that would have went to production on drugs instead
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 15:43 |
Negoba wrote:
It depends what counts as thrash. In terms of heavy, must bang my head, records, I'd put Garage Days Re-revisited up for consideration.
And though Holy Wars is up there with the best metal songs ever, I like Peace Sells as an album better. Wake Up Dead and Peace Sells are both among there in my top 10 thrash songs.
Hangar 18???? GMAFB, not only is it about the government hiding aliens, it recycles the same riff Mustaine used in writing Call of Kluthtutu which was itself a rip off of Kashmir.
How many here had Megadeth's first album "Killing is my Business?" In terms of raw speed metal, that one was fun. "Mechanix" which was the song "Four Horsemen" with Mustaine's original cheese lyrics, is a great listen, as they play it much faster than Metallica. |
Hear, hear  ! I love both those songs, and I love that album, even if it is a tad short. I'd also add "Devil's Island" to my favourite tracks from it.
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 12:50 |
It depends what counts as thrash. In terms of heavy, must bang my head, records, I'd put Garage Days Re-revisited up for consideration.
And though Holy Wars is up there with the best metal songs ever, I like Peace Sells as an album better. Wake Up Dead and Peace Sells are both among there in my top 10 thrash songs.
Hangar 18???? GMAFB, not only is it about the government hiding aliens, it recycles the same riff Mustaine used in writing Call of Kluthtutu which was itself a rip off of Kashmir.
How many here had Megadeth's first album "Killing is my Business?" In terms of raw speed metal, that one was fun. "Mechanix" which was the song "Four Horsemen" with Mustaine's original cheese lyrics, is a great listen, as they play it much faster than Metallica.
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 12:34 |
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If talking about thrash-metal, we have more or less AT LEAST 10 records which could be seen as the "greatest thrash-metal album".
Enter Megadeth's "Peace Sells...", Slayer's "Reign In Blood", Coroner's "RIP", Voivod's "Killing Technology"...
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Posted: February 20 2009 at 19:54 |
King By-Tor wrote:
interesting that the Metallica spin-off band is garnishing more praise here...
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Ever since Rust In Peace came out, so many people think that it was better than anything Metallica ever did. That's been 19 years then. We've had 19 (if not even more considering the people that liked SFSGSW and PSBWB better than Metallica's works) years of the 'interesting' aspect of people preferring Megadeth to have already gone by, so yeah, it's hardly a suprise or 'interesting' anymore.
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Posted: February 20 2009 at 19:28 |
Proggy Pogo wrote:
I prefer Ride The Lightning, and I think I'd give AJFA the edge over Master ... just.
Other non-Metallica contenders would be Slayer's Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood. |
I agree with ya, both RTL and AJFA have the edge over MoP. I haven't heard hell awaits in a while, your post reminded me to listen to it again soon.
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Posted: February 20 2009 at 15:47 |
Roj M30 wrote:
Proggy Pogo wrote:
Other non-Metallica contenders would be Slayer's Hell Awaits
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Good call!! For me, this has to be the ultimate thrash album.
I would say that Metallica's best pure thrash album has to be Kill Em All. Whilst the following three albums were thrashy in parts, I think there was a bit more to them than just thrash. |
Slayer is strictly just thrash, and I somewhat agree that all Metallica isn't. Megadeth is another big contender here, but they're not strictly thrash either. Metallica obviously has other influences, such as prog, but Master of Puppets is still widely considered a thrash metal album with a progressive side. Not something else with a thrash metal side.
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:12 |
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The early works from Vio-Lence, Exodus, Megadeth, Testament and even Metallica themselves are all better than Master Of Puppets.
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:02 |
I'm no expert, but I might have thought that the best is Exodus' Bonded by Blood. 
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 12:51 |
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That's because on their first four albums Megadeth were musically more complex than Metallica ever were.
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 11:28 |
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interesting that the Metallica spin-off band is garnishing more praise here...
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 11:26 |
martinprog77 wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
"Is Master of Puppets the greatest metal album ever".
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no is this one
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Agree 100%. Metallica can't touch Holy Wars or Hangar 18...
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 08:20 |
Proggy Pogo wrote:
Other non-Metallica contenders would be Slayer's Hell Awaits
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Good call!! For me, this has to be the ultimate thrash album.
I would say that Metallica's best pure thrash album has to be Kill Em All. Whilst the following three albums were thrashy in parts, I think there was a bit more to them than just thrash.
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 07:19 |
I prefer Ride The Lightning, and I think I'd give AJFA the edge over Master ... just.
Other non-Metallica contenders would be Slayer's Hell Awaits & Reign In Blood.
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