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The Quiet One 
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Posted: February 26 2009 at 11:49 |
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Just wanted to let you know guys, that I passed!! Yes, today! Only me and one friend passed out of 10, in History I knew quite a lot, but Geography it was pure luck! Hahaha!
Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated!
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 01:53 |
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You may find of interest to know that XVIIth century Spain was a great place for culture. It's a century which starts early with Cervantes' works of maturity, but it also helds the works of Baltasar Gracian and Quevedo (in prose), Lope de Vega, Calderon de la Barca (in theatre) or Gongora (in poetry).
Painting is one of the things Spain excelled in during the XVIIth century. I find Velasquez to be one of the greatest painters of all time. But there's also the late El Greco, Zurbaran, Murillo, Ribera, etc. Also in the field of architecture there were great achievements; one only needs to look at the Granada Cathedral by Alonso Cano or at the Santiago de Compostella cathedral to figure it out.
All these aspects (and other more) were part of the Baroque culture which gave the Spanish art & culture of the XVIIth century a very homogenous and distinct style which makes it unique and justifies up to this day it's calling as a "golden era".
Later edit: Oh, and do check out Spanish baroque music!
Edited by Swan Song - February 17 2009 at 01:56
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:34 |
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^wow that's great! Thx very much!
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memowakeman
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 17:16 |
you may have a look to this link, is in spanish of course and it may fill some of your doubts
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Follow me on twitter @memowakeman
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 13:05 |
 Raff wrote:
Well, I can tell you that in the 17th century Spain was present in Italy too, both in the North and in the South. As an interesting curiosity you could cite, one of the masterpieces of Italian literature, the historical novel I promessi sposi ("The Betrothed") is set in the Lake Como and Milan area of Northern Italy during the Spanish rule in the 17th century.
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Thanks, but I'm not really studying that part, please take no offense, after all you're taking your time and dedication to help me, when you could have just ignored this thread.  What I really want to know, is the general status in Spain, economy, social, politics "problems", causes and consequences, affecting their colonies in America, and stuff of the like.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 13:01 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Jared wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
And ended with the Treaty of Westphalia, if I recall - anyways, there has to be plenty of places on the internet to do some of this research - I'm still old school, though, and think you should do some research in a library. Just don't cite Wikipedia as a reference, for God's sake. 
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yes, I know...  my History lessons in the early 80s were as dry as toast...1000 page text books from Oxford Uni Press, with no piccys and more citations and cross references than you could shake a board rubber at..
I was just trying to be friendly and helpful towards our young Collab and give him some encouragement..
but Pat is right.....for God's Sake DON'T Cite Wiki...  |
Yeah, I was being a bit of a hard ass, I know.
Good thing friendly folks like Jared are on this website, right Pablo? 
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Indeed 
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Raff
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 12:59 |
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Well, I can tell you that in the 17th century Spain was present in Italy too, both in the North and in the South. As an interesting curiosity you could cite, one of the masterpieces of Italian literature, the historical novel I promessi sposi ("The Betrothed") is set in the Lake Como and Milan area of Northern Italy during the Spanish rule in the 17th century.
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Padraic
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 12:18 |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 12:14 |
DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!
Do I come to your school and ask you to review Stockholm and Goteburg by Henry Cow because everybody here is too lazy to do it themselves? WELL, DO I?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Jared
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 12:09 |
^^ I detect an intonation of sarcasm in the way you typed that, Pat...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Padraic
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 12:03 |
Jared wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
And ended with the Treaty of Westphalia, if I recall - anyways, there has to be plenty of places on the internet to do some of this research - I'm still old school, though, and think you should do some research in a library. Just don't cite Wikipedia as a reference, for God's sake.
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yes, I know... my History lessons in the early 80s were as dry as toast...1000 page text books from Oxford Uni Press, with no piccys and more citations and cross references than you could shake a board rubber at..
I was just trying to be friendly and helpful towards our young Collab and give him some encouragement..
but Pat is right.....for God's Sake DON'T Cite Wiki... |
Yeah, I was being a bit of a hard ass, I know. Good thing friendly folks like Jared are on this website, right Pablo?
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Jared
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:57 |
NaturalScience wrote:
And ended with the Treaty of Westphalia, if I recall - anyways, there has to be plenty of places on the internet to do some of this research - I'm still old school, though, and think you should do some research in a library. Just don't cite Wikipedia as a reference, for God's sake.
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yes, I know... my History lessons in the early 80s were as dry as toast...1000 page text books from Oxford Uni Press, with no piccys and more citations and cross references than you could shake a board rubber at..
I was just trying to be friendly and helpful towards our young Collab and give him some encouragement..
but Pat is right.....for God's Sake DON'T Cite Wiki...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:52 |
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^haha. Yes! The treaty of Westphalia! I studied that! So cool, haha, ;D
Thx again guys, I really appreciate your dedication on looking info and then posting here(in a PROG WEBSITE)!
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Padraic
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:44 |
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:43 |
^no worries Jared, I've seen that, but like I said before, we don't study(nowadays, or at least in my school) too much detail. History in my school = Less Details, More Topics  hahaa
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Jared
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:41 |
^^oops...forgot to put a 30 years war link in for you... anyway, as far as I can remember, it started in Prague in 1618, when someone was pushed out of a window.. 
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:38 |
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^ahh yeah that will help, thanks! I'm studying generally from the 16th century to the 19th century Europe(specially England, France and Spain). The French Revolution, Industrial Revolution, etc, etc...
I've already seen the Sucesion War, but focusing on French aspects.
Edited by cacho - February 16 2009 at 11:39
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Jared
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:35 |
Pablo,
I'm not sure what aspect you're doing, but the three Monarchs who ruled during the Century were from the (Austrian) House Of Hapsburg...Philip III
his son, Philip IV
and his son, Charles II
in the first half of the Century, Spain was embroiled in the very costly Wars of Religion (The 30 Years War 1618-1648)
and Charles' death in 1700 brought an end to his dynasty, and the Wars Of Spanish Succession (1702-1713)... Charles was impotent due to imbreading... 
I think some of your work should concentrate on Spain's efforts to hold on to the Spanish Netherlands (Belgium)
all three Monarchs were actively involved in the Spanish Inquisition
anyway, it has been 22 years since I studied 17th Century Spain, so I'm a bit rusty, but I hope this helps... |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:21 |
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Wikipedia normally have an extensive list of litterature if you search for the phrase "Spain" there.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 16 2009 at 11:09 |
hehe, I do, but for this subject, I don't, lol. I mean, I lost the pages with it. I'll search some more websites, if that's what you want 
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