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Poll Question: Is it right to download music for free without the artist's consent?
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    Posted: February 28 2009 at 15:13
Originally posted by Eraserhead Eraserhead wrote:

I always download music if I want to check out a band, and if I like it I end up buying their albums. If it wasn't for downloading, most of the bands I love now I wouldn't have even heard them.


Pretty much the exact same thing I said. They wouldn't have profited from us buying tickets to their shows either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2009 at 12:51
I always download music if I want to check out a band, and if I like it I end up buying their albums. If it wasn't for downloading, most of the bands I love now I wouldn't have even heard them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2009 at 03:00

I just found a very interesting blogpost of someone who sees a future for legal downloading in local recordstores.

http://uk.music-jobs.com/blog/index.php/music-industry-career-advice/saving-the-record-store/

"There is hope. In order for these traditional retail stores to keep afloat, they must adapt to the new music 2.0 world and attract customers by a variety of means. They must expand their revenue sources in order to survive. I'm sure that some if this will involve mp3s, and developing a working strategy for in-store downloading."

"Rather than trying to sell a thousand megastar albums, selling 25 albums of 40 different local acts will create the same income and possible evolve more loyal, longer term custom."

"Anything they can do to think outside the box and expand their store into a community once again is the way that the physical retailers can fight back and survive. I, for one, would hate to see the last remaining few disappear from our streets, and honestly think that by becoming more of a community / lifestyle / hang out joint, and turn the shop itself into a trusted, authentic and knowledgeable brand, then they can regain not just one-off customers, but regular long-tail fans."



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2009 at 12:44
I walk a thin line myself sometimes but I like living on the edge. Explosions and suprises.My avatar says it all.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2009 at 11:09
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

C`mon what was it. We`re men. We can take it.


The word was "fag" and my experience with this site is that if it's controversial, it's best not to post it.  I'm on a tight enough rope as is.

If you really want to see it: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/WeezatonE/1235433801881.gif
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2009 at 10:02
C`mon what was it. We`re men. We can take it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:19
Nah, I deleted the post because I realized that it contained a term PA probably wouldn't like.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:06
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Pnoom some admins hidden your caricature post
None of Aaron's posts have been hidden in this thread Confused (have they? I can't "see" any)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:00
Pnoom some admins hidden your caricature post
 
What i wonder is the amount of viewings in youtube LOL




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2009 at 18:49
Well yes, if you get permission from the band, it's legal.

That goes for studio albums, too, though.  Bootlegs aren't a special category.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2009 at 18:40
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

No difference, they are still illegal. There have of course been examples of them being legitimised, such as the Bootleg boxes released by ELP and Tangerine Dream.


a place like bt tree lets you download live shows from a large number of bands, and i believe they only have bands/artists that are ok with people downloading their shows, especially jam bands
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2009 at 16:59
I always try to buy what I download and like. Not always immediately afterwards because that isn't always possible, but sooner or later. Some stuff is really hard to find and some I might never find at all, but I try. I spend a lot of money (a lot more than I can afford, really) on records every month. I feel I'm morally obliged to.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2009 at 02:23
No difference, they are still illegal. There have of course been examples of them being legitimised, such as the Bootleg boxes released by ELP and Tangerine Dream.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2009 at 20:47
Do the laws differ for bootlegs/unofficial live albums?

I'm guessing the same applies with live as standard records.But I wouldn't have a problem at all with downloading live tracks that weren't up for official release.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:17
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I think if I was Pure Reason Revolution and I found out my crucial 2nd album was being bandies around the internet for free I'd probably pack it all in.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:12
I wonder if bands setting up a paypal option on their sites would generate any decent revenue. Is it possible some guilty P2Pers might pony up some cash to the groups they've discovered and come to love ?

"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:10
Speaking of hidden threads, I've had some that the logic & sense were very well hidden ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:09
I think if I was Pure Reason Revolution and I found out my crucial 2nd album was being bandies around the internet for free I'd probably pack it all in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 12:06
besides FYE (which sucks big time), Barnes & Noble (really expensive), and Coconuts (going out of business i think) the only place i know of to find a decent selection of music, CD and Vinyl, would have to be Vintage Vinyl in Fords, NJ, if anyone lives near there check the place out.

but even that place cant compare to the INTERNET!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2009 at 00:37
You know, VB, the thing is the thrill is still there. I am sure that even living in the biggest city in the world with the most extensive variety of music to be found in a large amount of retail outlets can compare to the wealth that the internet provides.
Oasis, back then, Frank's music, Spin-It, Passage, all had a big selection of used and new vinyl. And it was not restricted to the top 40 of the day. Indeed, Frank's music, being a Sam the Record Man franchise had a very deep stock of back catalogue, and import releases.
But even the lot of them together do not even closely match what I have managed to read about, listen to (mp 3 samples, My Space, You Tube, and band sites), and acquire over the past 10 years.
I don't need record store guy to like a band so as to be introduced to them, I don't need X music magazine to tell me or sell me on the next big thing, nor the radio to show me what's hot now. Ads campaigns & Hype don't move me.
What does ? Sites like this. Bands pages. Wikipedia pages. Local music fans, and indie media. And all this added to Frank's Music, Spin-It and other retail outlets that are still here.

We are at a point that if a music fanatic was to be able to access everything that interested them, they would not have enough time to listen to it all. Therefore, you can say that the availability is infinite.
So you don't reasure that crappy LP that you saved up 2 weeks allowance to complete your group X collection, only to find out that it sucks. Even if you come to find it O.K. after a thousand listens, 'cause ... well ... you can only buy so many LPs.
Now - if ain't good, if it ain't worth more time, it's out of here. And why not ? 'Cause there's more than enough good & great music out there. Some will take some time to get into. But even today, even 40 years ago, there was some music that NEVER got better the more you listened to it.
I remember reading a Creem issue dedicated to the Rolling Stones. The writer was a big fan from the early days. He said how when he bought "Black & Blue" , that he listened to it a hundred times. And kept on listening to it until he finally thought, this is a good album. Then never played it again. Can you imagine all the music that he missed out on simply because he could not let a mediocre album be ?

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