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claugroi 
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Posted: February 10 2009 at 14:57 |
 Lucent wrote:
I don't care what most say, I don't see The Beatles as innovators.
Zep wins!
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You don't see The Beatles as innovators, but Led Zeppelin does.
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Posted: February 10 2009 at 04:34 |
A tough one - prog elements in all.
I went for Queen on the strength of Queen II alone. Saw them several times in the very early days (til I got cacked off with them after Sheer Heart Attack) and they really did cut it live. Just 'cos the first two albums 'proudly' claimed "no synthesisers" it didn't mean they eschewed prog. Trouble was, I guess, that even then the sheer flamboyance of Mercury alienated a lot of progheads and if ever a band polarised opinion, they did. You loved 'em or you hated 'em. John Peel championed the early stuff... I rest my case 
All others credible contenders - should have voted Beatles but let the heart rule the head.
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Posted: February 09 2009 at 16:48 |
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I've never listened to a led zep song and heard very little queen... but assuming the former is van halen and the latter is duran duran...
The Who!
Quadrophenia! An any listen to Pete Townshend's solo work...
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Posted: February 09 2009 at 10:48 |
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Led Zeppelin
Songs like "Achilles Last Stand", "The Rain Song", "No Quarter", "In the Light", and "Carouselambra" can all stand up on their own as prog classics.
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Chelsea
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Posted: February 09 2009 at 07:46 |
Lucent wrote:
I don't care what most say, I don't see The Beatles as innovators.
Zep wins!
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Led Zeppelin might be rock music worst plagiarists of blues music in rock. They were not great innovators. The Beatles had musical influences like everybody else. Even in their early music guitarists were amazed at their chord usage and that's what guitarists in 1964 noticed. Without that The Byrds, Dylan, Grateful Dead and Folk Rock might have not happened.
It was by Rubber Soul given the landscape of musical influences available to the Beatles, what’s the logical precedent for “Eleanor Rigby” or “I Am the Walrus” or “Golden Slumbers” or “Nowhere Man” or “Penny Lane” or “Across the Universe” or the entire Sgt. Pepper album? ? Each generation’s most popular musicians, from Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Bob Dylan, the Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin there’s a traceable progression to their musical development, a discernible link with what came before. What set the Beatles apart was that they seemed to conjure their greatest work out of the ether—or maybe out of the breath of a muse.
Consider the first verse of “For No One”: “Your day breaks, your mind aches / You find that all her words of kindness linger on / When she no longer needs you.” The subject matter couldn’t be more familiar—in essence, breaking up is hard to do. But the mood is Thomas Hardy. The compactness is William Carlos Williams. The rhythms and internal rhymes are Emily Dickinson, with hints of Dylan Thomas and Gerard Manley Hopkins. There’s nothing remotely like it in popular music. Now consider that the words were written by McCartney, who was 23 at the time, who set out to write a pop song, not a work of literature, and who, by his own admission, never put as much effort into his lyrics as Lennon did.
The Beatles used the studio as in relation as a studio for an instrument were using to create sort of Psychedelic wall of sound production. There is no logical precedent for "I Am the Walrus" or "Tomorrow Never Knows" in rock music in it's use as a studio as instrument. Musically there are more key changes and time changes in "Good Day Sunshine" than most albums have.
“Psychedelic effects are heard in the backward guitar parts on “I'm Only Sleeping which became an important technique in Rock Music. A special shout for the harmonized guitar parts on “And Your Bird Can Sing” a really great power pop type of song. The Beatles were not guitar shredders but that’s not what music is all about IMO. IMO the Beatles psychedelic experimentation in the studio, use of obscure non rock sources, were a huge influence on Pop music and basically all the early psych- prog bands were influenced by the Beatles. They were not the only ones of course but get over it they were a huge influence.
Edited by Chelsea - February 09 2009 at 12:02
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Lucent
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Posted: February 08 2009 at 17:30 |
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I don't care what most say, I don't see The Beatles as innovators.
Zep wins!
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Posted: February 08 2009 at 09:50 |
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Queen are my definite choice, although, i was in doubt between doors and queen ,
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Posted: February 05 2009 at 10:07 |
The Beatles of course considering in 1966 were doing this
Revolver in rock music is where the studio as an instrument is used in preoccupation with "psychedelic" effects, including electronic/tape effects rather than the Brian Wilson/Phil Spector wall of sound strategy.
The Beatles use Indian instruments or sounds; particularly the Sitar, tamboura, and Tabla on "Love You To". The song "Tomorrow Never Knows" introduces the concept of psychedelic. The lyrics influenced by Leary are The Psychedelic Experience and the studio manipulation of sounds resulted in abstract sonic environments. The Beatles created a wall of sound of tape loops backwards, sped up, on "Tomorrow Never Knows" with a raga-drum style pattern and it became one of the most influential songs not only to Art-Rock but in electronica.
Then people like Pink Floyd and the Moody Blues are an extension of this.
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 15:44 |
Beatles, of course... they also happen to be my least favorite on the list 
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 14:07 |
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moshkito
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 14:03 |
Hi,
I never thought of The Doors as "prog" ... they just happened to feature one of the best rock poets EVER in rock history ... that did not make it progressive ... it made it "expressive" ... and the same thing goes for Led Zeppelin and The Who ... and the Beatles and ... whoever else you want to insert in this poll.
It's too bad that you have not hear things like Amon Duul 2, Can, and some of the really eclectic bands out of Europe that were doing some REAL experimentations and progressive work ... but then ... this board is not about that, right? For my ears, Amon Duul 2 is so progressive that most people can not even sit through a couple of albums before their ears are assaulted with some much .... sorry ... you have only heard a top ten ... you should really consider the bottom ten.
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 13:46 |
Hi,
Not very good choices for the survey ...
But for all intents and purposes, all of these had a few things that could be considered "prog" ... but other than a long cut here and there ... none of them were prog ... they were all POP ... well, Led Zep is more ROCK than POP ... and Jefferson Airplane sometimes defies description ...
But of all of these Jefferson Airplane is by far the most prog of them all ... try and sit through Jack Cassady playing his bass. Better yet, check out the experimentations that Paul Kantner did on his albums with Grace Slick. And some of the very beautiful stuff they did ...
By the time the 70's came roaring and we start getting into 72/73 and 74 ... I sometimes think that Queen did really well with their 2nd and 3rd album ... but the fame of Bohemian Rhapsody, already shows what others are not talking about ... at that time, there were a lot of English bands that were doing similar stuff ... from Murray Head, Rupert Hine, Headstone, 10CC and so many others ... who were for the most part doing a bit of satire and just plain ... I call it a rock vaudeville (sometimes it is not vaudeville) but a modern day Brecht'ian effort (or Jacques Brel if you're French) ... even David Bowie did a bunch of it ... something that eventually led to the story telling rock that became Genesis and the next scene ... that became "prog" as we know it today ... although a lot of folks will argue that "prog" started earlier.
It was never prog ... it was always either you experiment and do a long cut or not.
But plz, this post in no way takes away from someone's ability to sing and create music ... and Freddie Mercury's talent, care, love and desire should never be questioned ...
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Chelsea
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Posted: February 01 2009 at 08:26 |
As for the older groups. The Beatles were more groundbreaking. A Day in the Life" broke new ground by combining 2 completely different tunes in different keys,sung by 2 different singers and played at 2 different tempos...what an amazing step toward a larger scope of composition. Remember Harrison played the sitar listen to his solo on "Love You To" really groundbreaking stuff for a rock band in 1966. "A Day in the Life" and "Within You Without You" are in my mind with no doubt are Progressive Rock status.
Queen sorry were in my mind more progressive than the Who, and Led Zeppelin.
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Posted: January 31 2009 at 17:49 |
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The all had their moments, but Deep Purple had more. |
Yes, I forgot to put DP, they had some progressive influence...
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Posted: January 31 2009 at 17:40 |
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This was a tough one. My instinct was to vote for The Beatles, but I thought a while and voted for The Who. Beatles are second and Queen is third.
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Posted: January 31 2009 at 17:33 |
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hahhahaha.. 'most progressive of non-progressive'...
either you are progressive .. or you are not... and all them were, in their own ways. That was what made them great.
For me... the Who. Nothing like them before.. or since...
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Posted: January 31 2009 at 17:28 |
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Posted: January 31 2009 at 17:26 |
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The all had their moments, but Deep Purple had more.
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Posted: January 31 2009 at 15:52 |
The Doors ...c´mon! The Beatles by far
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Posted: January 31 2009 at 15:37 |
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Certain tunes are really screwing up the decision= Bohemian Rhapsody, Zep's No Quarter, Who's Baba O'Riley , the Doors' Riders on the Storm, Jefferson Airplane's live jamming sets but I went with the Fab Four , way too many proggy tunes , especially on the White album.
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