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    Posted: June 05 2006 at 08:44
Eric Clapton and Jimmy page????????
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2006 at 13:18
I cant play the guitar, so cant really judge whos *technically* the best....although Fripp often sounds to me as if hes playing on the edge of whats possible, so he may be The Man.
 
If we're playing the game of "I can think of a good, arguably prog guitarist, whom nobody has yet mentioned", then its worth mentioning that Fripp himself has expressed in print his admiration for, and influence by, Robin Trower. Very different style, all fuzzy & laid back, but can sometimes do the "goose-bump" thing for me, as on "I cant wait much longer", which is the key indicator for me.
 
But probably the one I enjoy listening to most often, most of all, is Gilmour. Deceptively simple, maybe evn just (*just*! ha!) bluesy, but he never seems to be breaking sweat - its all so effortless.
 
Couldnt bring myself to cast a vote, though.Ying Yang
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2006 at 12:46
Joe Satriani.
 
I don't much care for Malmsteen or Petrucci, with whom he is often associated, but Satch's music has always had a special place for me ever since my father purchased Surfing With The Alien for me on my 11th birthday. I fell in love with "Echo"...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2006 at 07:08
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2006 at 03:26
the master.....what other guitarist has their own college...? LOL           http://www.hendrix.edu/
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2006 at 03:18
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2006 at 01:38
John Petrucci
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 17:58
Originally posted by Serguilloche Serguilloche wrote:

My choice in my first post in this thread of Romeo being the 'best' guitarist in prog is mainly due to what you say.  He knows what to play and when to play it, and has a huge amount of restraint for someone so obviously influenced by Malmsteen.  Romeo is primarily about the art, when Yngwie is about the virtuosity.

As far as the bits about 'choices' go, Yngwie chooses to play in his style because he likes the music that way, the same most honest musicians do I imagine.  I don't believe he could make 'better' choices, certainly he could make different ones.

I consider Santana a tedious t**ser, and really really wish he hadn't made that song with Matchbox 20, what little respect I had for him evaporated instantly.

I also believe that 'soul' or 'emotion' in music comes from what we as listeners invest in the music.  I consider some of Bathory's output highly emotional music that stirs my emotions massively, but many others would disagree. Luckily we can disagree but still be happy with our own tastes.
 
Agreed, we can disagree & both be happy with our opinions...As to my use of the term "better" when referring to Malmsteen's musical choices, my definition goes back to his soul...Ultimately, anyone rating a musician's output against others is subjectively measuring it using some personal yardstick & criteria. Presumably, your "honest musician" does the same when creating that music in order to make the choices of what notes/chords stay, which ones are discarded & in what order the notes are presented. Who & what you are will ultimately determine what you do, just as Mr Malmsteen's musical choices reflect who he is. Some players are just "deeper" to start with & so have more to draw upon when creating their music, which doesn't really have a whole lot to do with training or practice ("chops")...
 
I partly agree with your assessment of soul in music, but you've left out the other side of the equation, which is what the musician has put into the creation process. Your "honest musician" has made music that he/she likes, so they've already put their being (soul) into it. We listeners interpret what we hear, but what we hear is first influenced by the person creating it. And as to Santana being "a tedious t**ser", I'll take 5 helpings please!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 17:28
My choice in my first post in this thread of Romeo being the 'best' guitarist in prog is mainly due to what you say.  He knows what to play and when to play it, and has a huge amount of restraint for someone so obviously influenced by Malmsteen.  Romeo is primarily about the art, when Yngwie is about the virtuosity.

As far as the bits about 'choices' go, Yngwie chooses to play in his style because he likes the music that way, the same most honest musicians do I imagine.  I don't believe he could make 'better' choices, certainly he could make different ones.

I consider Santana a tedious t**ser, and really really wish he hadn't made that song with Matchbox 20, what little respect I had for him evaporated instantly.

I also believe that 'soul' or 'emotion' in music comes from what we as listeners invest in the music.  I consider some of Bathory's output highly emotional music that stirs my emotions massively, but many others would disagree. Luckily we can disagree but still be happy with our own tastes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 16:46
Originally posted by Serguilloche Serguilloche wrote:

Originally posted by DarioIndjic DarioIndjic wrote:

Satriani,Vai and Malmsteen???
 
What is all the focus about them,they are only masturbating their guitars, emotionless music.


All the focus is because they are supremely talented guitar players.

Malmsteen virtually invented neo-classical shred and is one of the most influential players ever.  To say his playing is emotionless is to display an ignorance of a large body of his work.  Listen to Yankee Rose and tell me Steve Vai is emotionless.

When I went to see Dream Theatre on the SFAM tour my girlfriend was next to me in tears, moved by the emotion she felt in the music, and there were 2 nerdy students behind me whinging about Petrucci masturbating on his guitar.  Ever since then I've found that phrase annoying.  I wonder how many people accused Liszt of masturbating on his piano, or Chopin, god you're so un-emotional Frederick, writing all those Etude.
 
There's plenty of talent, sure, but that word encompasses quite a few different types of skills. What I think of in conjunction with the term "shred" has to do with physical skill, such as speed & accuracy, and maybe abilities relative to reading music. Also perhaps a good command of effects...
 
What I & others are talking about when we question the inclusion of the likes of Mssrs Vai, Malmsteen & Satriani in these types of polls and the references to a lack of soul in their playing have less to do with this type of physical talent and much more with the spiritual side. There's such a deliberate focus on the physical skills that the rest is shortchanged or ignored completely...
 
I found this to be true for myself after getting into some speedmetal back in the early/mid 80's. Players like Marty Friedman/Jason Becker (Cacophony) and Paul Gilbert (Racer X) were really cool to listen to, but after a while I was finding myself getting tired of the wall of notes & the constant staccato-type attack on music...I found that once the initial novelty had worn off, I could only sit through a couple of tunes before having to move on to something else...
 
Yngwie also has this effect on me. It's hard to nail down, but the musical choices that players make has a lot to do with it. Music needs "room", and shredders don't seem to instinctively know this but rather feel the need to cover the musical landscape with as much output as possible...That's not to say that a shredder can't play other types of music convincingly, it's just that they most often choose not to (and this makes them shedders in the first place). It's those musical choices that ultimately make them less interesting as players...
 
The best example of this that I've ever heard is Gary Moore...To me, none of the players you mentioned above have anything on him talent-wise & he's rightly considered to be a metal "god" for his 70's & 80's material, but there's a whole other side to his playing that reflects his roots (blues) & his experimental phase (fusion w/Colosseum II & some solo stuff). Even when spitting out impossibly-fast metal solos, you could always tell that there was some other level beneath, where his playing was anchored & that has to do with his "soul". I'm not getting that from these others...
 
Another great example is "Love Devotion Surrender", the 1973 collaboration of John McLaughlin w/Carlos Santana to produce a jazz/rock fusion record. You might say: "Well, that can't possibly work because McLaughlin is a fusion "god" & Santana plays latin-influenced rock. Either McLaughlin will totally dominate, or Santana will just stick to the rock side of the equation...". The reason it works is because: a) Santana has the musical chops & b) he has that "something extra" (soul?) that infuses his playing & makes you want to listen. I'm not sure that pairing McLaughlin with Malmsteen would do the same for me...
 
I have Jason Becker's solo record Perpetual Burn & most of it is shred-style guitar, but then there's the track "Air" that makes you sit up & listen. It's so out of character & really reminds you of what he could sound like of he chose to go that way...Malmsteen & company should make better choices as guitar players & musicians, then I'd probably have more regard for their material...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 15:35
^Thumbs Up couldn't agree more! Except perhaps that "Yankee Rose" is not the best example for Vai's emotional playing - better examples would be the 7th tracks of his studio albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 15:13
Originally posted by DarioIndjic DarioIndjic wrote:

Satriani,Vai and Malmsteen???
 
What is all the focus about them,they are only masturbating their guitars, emotionless music.


All the focus is because they are supremely talented guitar players.

Malmsteen virtually invented neo-classical shred and is one of the most influential players ever.  To say his playing is emotionless is to display an ignorance of a large body of his work.  Listen to Yankee Rose and tell me Steve Vai is emotionless.

When I went to see Dream Theatre on the SFAM tour my girlfriend was next to me in tears, moved by the emotion she felt in the music, and there were 2 nerdy students behind me whinging about Petrucci masturbating on his guitar.  Ever since then I've found that phrase annoying.  I wonder how many people accused Liszt of masturbating on his piano, or Chopin, god you're so un-emotional Frederick, writing all those Etude.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 12:40
Originally posted by wolf0621 wolf0621 wrote:

Originally posted by reality reality wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Silly, juvenile concept --  there are lots of great guitarists out there, all more or less in the same league re skill, etc. There is no "best" in art once the artist/guitarist attains a certain level, or even any objective way to ascertain "best."
 
By "best" you mean "favourite" (so why not say that?), and that's all a matter of taste.
 
These polls will only tell you who is more popular, at the moment, among those who saw fit to respond to the poll.
 
Again, why this constant obsession with turning art into a competion?Confused It's not a sport, math or science  -- art lives mainly in the emotional, subjective realm. We can't "measure" it.Stern Smile (I've only made this point about 1000 times here, though nothing changes, and tomorrow there'll no doubt be a new crop of the same old "best," "worst" and "overrated" polls....Dead
 
Now, re my favourite of that lot, perhaps I should vote Hendrix (other, very accomplished guitarists used to be amazed by his playing, and he had a very recognizable sound), but I prefer Beck, and he has not votes yet, so Jeff Beck it is!Thumbs Up (I have only one Hendrix disc, but six JB discs.)
 
 
I agree 100% that these are juvenile polls and am embarrassed by many of the uninformed musings that highlight the discusions. I am assuming by being on this site for awhile that not many of you have the ability or the understanding to be anywhere near an objective assumption of who is better than who anyway. Really who wants another ignorent crtic?
 
I like...Stevie Ray vaughn, Mike Oldfield, Jeff Beck, Nick Drake, Dan Ar Braz and many others.
 
 
Hey Reality, get a grip on yourself & lighten up...I think it's funny that those who so vehemently object to these "juvenile" best-of polls proceed to participate, after setting all of us straight as to why this type of poll shouldn't even be here in the first place...And Mike Oldfield in a short list of "best of"/"favorite" guitarists? The man has many talents, not sure that "great guitar player" is one of them, in light of the myriad other possible choices...Explain please!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 12:02
Satriani,Vai and Malmsteen???
 
What is all the focus about them,they are only masturbating their guitars, emotionless music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2006 at 11:57
Originally posted by reality reality wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Silly, juvenile concept --  there are lots of great guitarists out there, all more or less in the same league re skill, etc. There is no "best" in art once the artist/guitarist attains a certain level, or even any objective way to ascertain "best."
 
By "best" you mean "favourite" (so why not say that?), and that's all a matter of taste.
 
These polls will only tell you who is more popular, at the moment, among those who saw fit to respond to the poll.
 
Again, why this constant obsession with turning art into a competion?Confused It's not a sport, math or science  -- art lives mainly in the emotional, subjective realm. We can't "measure" it.Stern Smile (I've only made this point about 1000 times here, though nothing changes, and tomorrow there'll no doubt be a new crop of the same old "best," "worst" and "overrated" polls....Dead
 
Now, re my favourite of that lot, perhaps I should vote Hendrix (other, very accomplished guitarists used to be amazed by his playing, and he had a very recognizable sound), but I prefer Beck, and he has not votes yet, so Jeff Beck it is!Thumbs Up (I have only one Hendrix disc, but six JB discs.)
 
 
I agree 100% that these are juvenile polls and am embarrassed by many of the uninformed musings that highlight the discusions. I am assuming by being on this site for awhile that not many of you have the ability or the understanding to be anywhere near an objective assumption of who is better than who anyway. Really who wants another ignorent crtic?
 
I like...Stevie Ray vaughn, Mike Oldfield, Jeff Beck, Nick Drake, Dan Ar Braz and many others.
 
 
Hey Reality, get a grip on yourself & lighten up...I think it's funny that those who so vehemently object to these "juvenile" best-of polls proceed to participate, after setting all of us straight as to why this type of poll shouldn't even be here in the first place...And Mike Oldfield in a short list of "best of"/"favorite" guitarists? The man has many talents, not sure that "great guitar player" is one of them, in light of the myriad other possible choices...Explain please!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2006 at 18:18
Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Silly, juvenile concept --  there are lots of great guitarists out there, all more or less in the same league re skill, etc. There is no "best" in art once the artist/guitarist attains a certain level, or even any objective way to ascertain "best."
 
By "best" you mean "favourite" (so why not say that?), and that's all a matter of taste.
 
These polls will only tell you who is more popular, at the moment, among those who saw fit to respond to the poll.
 
Again, why this constant obsession with turning art into a competion?Confused It's not a sport, math or science  -- art lives mainly in the emotional, subjective realm. We can't "measure" it.Stern Smile (I've only made this point about 1000 times here, though nothing changes, and tomorrow there'll no doubt be a new crop of the same old "best," "worst" and "overrated" polls....Dead
 
Now, re my favourite of that lot, perhaps I should vote Hendrix (other, very accomplished guitarists used to be amazed by his playing, and he had a very recognizable sound), but I prefer Beck, and he has not votes yet, so Jeff Beck it is!Thumbs Up (I have only one Hendrix disc, but six JB discs.)
 
 
I agree 100% that these are juvenile polls and am embarrassed by many of the uninformed musings that highlight the discusions. I am assuming by being on this site for awhile that not many of you have the ability or the understanding to be anywhere near an objective assumption of who is better than who anyway. Really who wants another ignorent crtic?
 
I like...Stevie Ray vaughn, Mike Oldfield, Jeff Beck, Nick Drake, Dan Ar Braz and many others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2006 at 16:13
BUCKETHEAD

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He still scares me...Confused I'll go with Jeff Beck. Thumbs Up


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2006 at 16:05
Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Silly, juvenile concept --  there are lots of great guitarists out there, all more or less in the same league re skill, etc. There is no "best" in art once the artist/guitarist attains a certain level, or even any objective way to ascertain "best."
 
By "best" you mean "favourite" (so why not say that?), and that's all a matter of taste.
 
These polls will only tell you who is more popular, at the moment, among those who saw fit to respond to the poll.
 
Again, why this constant obsession with turning art into a competion?Confused It's not a sport, math or science  -- art lives mainly in the emotional, subjective realm. We can't "measure" it.Stern Smile (I've only made this point about 1000 times here, though nothing changes, and tomorrow there'll no doubt be a new crop of the same old "best," "worst" and "overrated" polls....Dead
 
Now, re my favourite of that lot, perhaps I should vote Hendrix (other, very accomplished guitarists used to be amazed by his playing, and he had a very recognizable sound), but I prefer Beck, and he has not votes yet, so Jeff Beck it is!Thumbs Up (I have only one Hendrix disc, but six JB discs.)
 


You don't need to be so insulting Peter.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2006 at 15:49
Al Di Meola is excellent as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2006 at 15:47
I choose Hendrix, 'cause he innovated all the tricks n' stuff. What a great man he was.

But, my some kind of favourites would probably be Mark Knopfler and Mike Oldfield. It's the style that matters! Wink
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