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    Posted: February 03 2009 at 15:51
I said I was going to stay out of this but do you actually think the Israelis are out to deliberately kill women and children? They are targeting these structures, schools, mosques etc because that`s where the tunnel entrances and weapons caches are located. I`m sure some of these pilots flying these missions have or are going to have  dreams about this. I know a of  a few guys who flew in Vietnam who have recurring dreams every single night since that crazy war ended back `73. And I think talking about a sporting event is a wee bit different than talking about a controversial conflict. Bad analogy there Mr. Epignosis.
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^ and everyone's arguing about which album should go on next.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

You obviously didn`t get my point. Read the last sentence in my post.


So?  The Superbowl was between the Steelers and the Cardinals.  Does that mean we ought not discuss it if we so desire?
 
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What both annoys and scares me about the Middle East conflict is that the tone and dialogue between the parties are so hateful and anti-human. The propaganda both sides peddles is very similar to the ***** we got from the Nazis before and during the WWII. Both sides are as equal bad here.

I regard jews as human beings. This is why I am branded "Sionist". I regard palestinians as human beings and this is why I am being branded "nazist". This is why I am both fed up with the morons running this propaganda war and stirring up trouble. Most of them are Christians. The pro-Israeli Christians want the doomsday to arrive pretty quickly and use a war between all arabs and the jews as their tool to get their doomsday. In other words; that's why they support Israel.  The other Christians who supports the palestinians sees the jews as violent militants and warmongers. Some of them also regards jews as christ-murderers like this Mel Gibson loony. 

Let's get sane. 
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I`ve said all I`m going to say on this thread. 


We could start a fight on this this thread as a distraction from the whole Israel/Gaza situation though.
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I`ve said all I`m going to say on this thread. 
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Points: 3658 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 13:32

Well, as long as Orphaned Land is regarded as a prog rock band; so should  this conflict be discussed here.

Btw. I am very much for the continued inclusion of Orphaned Land in PA.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

You obviously didn`t get my point. Read the last sentence in my post.


So?  The Superbowl was between the Steelers and the Cardinals.  Does that mean we ought not discuss it if we so desire?
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You obviously didn`t get my point. Read the last sentence in my post.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I have one question. What does this have to do with progrock.? There are plenty of other websites where this can be discussed. I don`t think it`s appropriate to discuss something as controversial as this issue here. And just out of interest here in Montréal there have been zillions of these petitions circulating and I personally refefuse to attach my name to any petition for or against. It`s between the Israelis and the Hamas.


This has as much to do with progressive rock as everything else in the GENERAL DISCUSSION thread.
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I have one question. What does this have to do with progrock.? There are plenty of other websites where this can be discussed. I don`t think it`s appropriate to discuss something as controversial as this issue here. And just out of interest here in Montréal there have been zillions of these petitions circulating and I personally refefuse to attach my name to any petition for or against. It`s between the Israelis and the Hamas.

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And so the cycle starts again:
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Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

One world - one government - bring it on.
 
We are so dependent on each other these days that to have separate governments is counter-productive. This crisis (?) has proven this. Why even now we have French workers taking industrial action (very wise like) and the Brits are protesting about Italian workers coming over here to work in the expansion of an oil processing plant. Were these people protesting when their wages were high and most of what they were spending on was imported or went on holidays abroad? Were they heck as like. It doesn't take much to get everyone at each others throats.
 
Why does nobody mention that the world is vastly over-populated and start doing something about it?
 
Actually China did something about it. They restricted any family to one child only. And the western countrys keep the same amount of population (immigration not included) for about 30 years now.
If we see over population as a big problem (and I agree with you here) there are 2 ways for us to do something : The first is to force families to bring less children (as made in China) and the second is to bring western culture to all non-western cultures.
Both ways means to force people to do else than they want. Can we as westerns who believe in human rights do so ?
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Omri. 

I understand, respect and actually support what you are writing. If/when the Finns (Finland) declared Norway as their West Coast, I would act like yourself. 

As one of those who are permanently denied visa to China (and probably North-Korea and Cuba too), I think it is fair to say that I have voiced an opinion against them. I will probably get a visa to Israel without any problems because my issue is neither with the jews or Israel itself. My issue is with those who ignore and even defies the High Court in Israel and those who believe another human race is less worth than their own dogs. Racism in any sort or form is not acceptable. 

The hatred is huge on both sides and I do not like to even put my opinion across in this loonatic asylum. But this situation calls for cold heads and cold hearts. I hope Mr. Obama will move things forward.  

 
Funny, I actually support every word you wrote in this post. I think racism is one of mankind's most horrible phenomen (based on the feelings that a person do not feel better than anyone else so the only way for him/her to feel superior than someone else lies on being a part of a "hifher" ethnic group).
I totally agree this situation needs cold heads. The thing is I don't realy believe an outsider, no matter how skilled and powerful, can replace the understanding of both sides that they should solve their problems.
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One world - one government - bring it on.
 
We are so dependent on each other these days that to have separate governments is counter-productive. This crisis (?) has proven this. Why even now we have French workers taking industrial action (very wise like) and the Brits are protesting about Italian workers coming over here to work in the expansion of an oil processing plant. Were these people protesting when their wages were high and most of what they were spending on was imported or went on holidays abroad? Were they heck as like. It doesn't take much to get everyone at each others throats.
 
Why does nobody mention that the world is vastly over-populated and start doing something about it?
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Silly buggers, down there.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

^ Single world governance in inevitable, directly or in a U.N.-esque way.

Not really. Too many people on this planet hate too many other people on this planet for that to ever happen, at least in my lifetime.
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^ Single world governance in inevitable, directly or in a U.N.-esque way.
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Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Yeah, there's a lot of bad stuff happening in the UN. Rampant corruption for starters; quite a few sought after war criminals have been sifted through the UN refugee system and been given the chance to start new lives due to some money and/or favours changing hands in there for instances.
 
Representatives of various countries in powerful positions abusing the power to enrich themselves isn't that uncommon either.
 
But even with these and other major internal flaws to the organization - where would the world be without it?
 
Weapons dealers certainly help holding the confict alive aye; but also extremist groups on both sides of this conflict see to it that the polarization is upheld; and strengthened whenever possible. Many fractions, on Palestinian as well as the Israeli side; gain power and influence by keeping the conflict as active and polarized as possible.
 
One might argue that the Israeli military is one of those fractions vying for conflict - after all, their influence on the nation strengthens due to peace being a distant hope at best; which opens up powerful positions for politicians with a military background - which I believe Israel have had a couple of in their 61 year long history.
 
The same might be argued for the "Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigade" of course; which still is the dominating military-like force on the Palestinian side as far as I know.
 
And in general, I'd think it is rather obvious that anyone vying for the use of force to resolve this conflict represents the forces that strives to keep the conflict alive rather than ending it. The use of force in itself have, after all, never resolved a conflict -unless- enough force to enforce total annihilation (or something awfully close to it) have been used.

A world with less red tape, less corruption (as you pointed out), and less bullhocky.
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Omri. 

I understand, respect and actually support what you are writing. If/when the Finns (Finland) declared Norway as their West Coast, I would act like yourself. 

As one of those who are permanently denied visa to China (and probably North-Korea and Cuba too), I think it is fair to say that I have voiced an opinion against them. I will probably get a visa to Israel without any problems because my issue is neither with the jews or Israel itself. My issue is with those who ignore and even defies the High Court in Israel and those who believe another human race is less worth than their own dogs. Racism in any sort or form is not acceptable. 

The hatred is huge on both sides and I do not like to even put my opinion across in this loonatic asylum. But this situation calls for cold heads and cold hearts. I hope Mr. Obama will move things forward.  
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