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FusionKing
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Topic: The Beatles First Psychedelic Rock or Pop Song? Posted: February 25 2010 at 16:33 |
Tomorrow Never Knows...one of my most favourite songs ever.
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Floydman
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Posted: February 25 2010 at 16:03 |
There were two basses on this one. One with regular tone and the other through a fuzz-box right up front and center acting like a lead guitar. In my mind "Norwegian Wood" sounds sligtly psychedelic. They basically one -upped everyone in rock music with "Tomorrow Never Knows" and that includes Frank Zappa. Instead of the usual backdrop of standard rock instruments they created a backdrop of psychedelic sounds using a series of loops drones, and electronic effects. I think they even took a segment of "Taxman" and put it backwards on "Tomorow Never Knows". Edited by Floydman - February 25 2010 at 16:11 |
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Fieldofsorrow
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Posted: February 25 2010 at 14:30 |
I'd go with 'Tomorrow Never Knows' - it's far more suggestive of psychedelia than any other track on Rubber Soul for me.
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earlyprog
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Posted: February 25 2010 at 06:13 |
Think For Yourself
...with the fuzz bass.
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Floydman
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 14:12 |
Anyone listening to "Norwegain Wood" take 2 knows the Beatles were heading in the direction of psychedelic rock anyway. The only problem I have is that songs like "Eight Miles High", "Shapes of Things" and "See My Friends" are really rock songs with eastern influences. "Tomorrow Never Knows" though it has eastern influences was intentionally meant to be psychedelic sounding. It could be the first trippy rock song. Yes it influenced Syd Barrett.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 06:03 |
Mind altering spellings: Psycodelic
Psychadelic prychedelic I'll add:
cycodelick
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 21 2009 at 07:43 |
the true meaning of Psychedelic? you could fill a whole thread with that one, it started as an Art form in painting and design but soon influenced music and fashion from 1965, i remember many records in 1965 and 66 as being Psyche, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Small Faces, Hendrix, Moody Blues, Donovan, The Mindbenders, Pink Floyd, Traffic, and hundreds of others, it was sort of Mod music going slightly weird due to exotic instruments and studio effects, many were trying to emulate the effects of an LSD trip on record but there were many bandwagon jumpers as there has always been . much of this music developed into Prog - though it was all a mixture really, the dividing lines are blurred (possibly so is my memory, don't take my summary as a historical document )...
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earlyprog
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Posted: November 21 2009 at 05:59 |
Of greater importance is the recording, rather than release, dates. Work on TMK in the studio was initiated on 6 April 1966. The learnings from this work inspired "Rain" which they started recording 14 April.
Anyway, I'm in tune with those creditting "The Word" as the first "psychedelic" song although an entirely different definition of "psychedelic" points towards "Yellow Submarine" being the first. ( I never understood you guys' definition of psychedelic.) There's a clear line running from Yellow Submarine to the work of Syd Barrett. Thankfully The Beatles never continued in that direction.
(Edit: Compare the bass line in Yellow Submarine with that of Yardbirds' "Shapes Of Things" - perhaps the world's first psychedelic song - and get a feel of what I mean.) Edited by earlyprog - November 21 2009 at 06:23 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 21 2009 at 01:30 |
sounds right.. I voted Nowhere Man for fun and George's workmanlike solo |
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 21 2009 at 00:54 |
Nothing remotely Psyche about Norwegian Wood, except a bit of Sitar in it..?
Officially according to release dates the first real Psyche song by the Beatles was "Rain" as the B side of "Paperback Writer" in June 1966, followed by the album "Revolver" in August, containing the Psyche classic "Tomorrow Never Knows".
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 22:35 |
This is my one psycodelic Beatle moment or song is on "A Day In The Life" after,"I'd love to turn you ooooooonnnn" then the orchestral build-up,(the second time).I was eight or nine and I stopped and yelled out, "What The F........... a classic beatle "i gotcha moment' and got me they did. we also melted army men
while listening to the fab four in the backyard.and we played mock Lincoln assasins at the intro to "Good Day Sunshine"
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GaryB
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 06:05 |
Tomorrow Never Knows and Rain are by far my two favorites of the five. As good as Rain was, especially the vocals, I still have to go with Tomorrow Never Knows. Like AlanD, I was alive and kicking in the 60s and was sixteen when Revolver was recorded. To me, Revolver was a sign of the changing times both musically and socially.
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Morakthesage
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 20:35 |
Rain, because it just has such a psychadelic feel to the whole thing. The backmasking helps too. Previous songs were pratice, maybe, but Rain is the first to deliver.
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SgtPepper67
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Posted: June 07 2009 at 16:23 |
The Word and Norwegian Wood has some psychedelic elements but I don't consider them to be psychedelic songs. My vote goes for Rain.
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Posted: June 03 2009 at 02:47 |
Norwegian Wood without a doubt - the first glimmerings of psychedelia in music since Alan Watts "This Is It", released in 1962 (or arguably, the Holy Modal Rounders a couple of years later).
Rain is a very close second - TMK is just the full realisation of techniques used on Rain (and She Said, She Said), even though the end result is light years away.
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JLocke
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 11:36 |
"Rain" for me too. While "Tomorrow Never Knows" was certainly the first full-bvlown Prog sonmg they ever did, the hints at psychedelia were there ever since Beatles For Sale, and the single "Rain" during the Rubber Soul era pushed that envelope even further. A very beautiful, haunting, psychedelic rock song.
Edited by p0mt3 - May 28 2009 at 11:37 |
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someone_else
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 09:40 |
I can't remember 'The Word'. I must haved heard it a least once, long ago. 'Rubber Soul' is the Beatles' first move in a more progressive direction. The psych period of the Beatles starts in 1966. This leaves the choice between 'Tomorrow Never Knows' and 'Rain'. According to Wikipedia, 'Tomorrow Never Knows' was recorded 8 days earlier than Rain, although it was released 8 weeks later (in the UK). So my vote goes to 'Tomorrow Never Knows'. |
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weetabix
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 06:56 |
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 03:37 |
The Word mainly because of the lyrics. Closely followed by Yellow Submarine.
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Faubzzy
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Posted: May 27 2009 at 18:42 |
Yes indeed, Rain is a cool psychadelic tune, and of course, very English. In fact, this is an hymn for an english rain...If the rain comes.........
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