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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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womping ???? I've never heard it before,but I like it! |
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On police brutality: in the Rush in Rio documentary Geddy calls Alex extremely emotional. Maybe Alex just "lost it" and started womping on the police after the police provoked him. The allegations against Alex seem so out of character for the man IMHO. |
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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Latest Reaction Update: From The Naples Daily News Editorial: Editorial: Zivojinovich trial Rocker-Ritz-Taser case leaves plenty for review By The Naples Daily News A case that came in like a lion is going out like a lamb.
Violent resisting-arrest charges against father-and-son 2003 New Year's Eve revelers came to a climax reduced to nonviolent misdemeanors and accompanied by light fines — and several reimbursements to be determined later, including one to the party site.
The fact that the pair had celebrity — dad, Alex Zivojinovich of Canada, plays in the big rock band Rush — and the fight with Collier County sheriff's deputies took place at The Ritz-Carlton, Naples, put it on the front page and kept it there.
The outcome says plenty.
First, it says deputies need to be sure and clear about what happened and what gets written into official reports. This case withered when subjected to the other side of the story, including an eyewitness who used to work for the hotel. As defense counsel pointed out, there is a difference between loud behavior at a party and a crime.
Second, it says the Sheriff's Office needs to redouble scrutiny of its policy on the use of Tasers — stun guns that pack an electrified jolt. The younger suspect, Justin Zivojinovich, was hit twice in the absence of clear evidence of him posing an immediate, violent threat to larger, trained officers.
The public is all for full protection of officers in harm's way.
Still, the public wants assurance that Tasers aren't used as self-fulfilling evidence that a suspect was out of control.
The Sheriff's Office now says it sees no need for further use-of-Taser review in the Zivojinovich case. Why not? This case, as well as a December case of a young man dying — amid word that he was using drugs beforehand in North Naples — and state and national Taser scrutiny, ought to give public safety officers plenty to troubleshoot.
Third, the prosecutor says the State Attorney's Office is pleased with the outcome because it affixes accountability with the accused. The senior Zivojinovich's post-verdict statement seems less clear, talking of "acceptance" but also "forgiveness" and "compromise."
Zivojinovich speaks of doing something, short of a rock 'n' roll concert, in appreciation for the community's support.
Others believe enough is enough. Let the Rush/New Year's saga end after Taser and prosecution lessons are exhausted. |
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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I'm sure if you bumped into Danbo,it would be more like "Mr Fascist,sir" |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Bloody Cops.......fascists!
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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Actually that story is from ealrly March,Dan.
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Metropolis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 20 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 760 |
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Its not wuite as bad as a comment by Geddy Lee in an interview with Classic Rock Magazine: Interviewer: If you were a priest at The Temple of Syrinx, what would you ban or prohibit? Geddy: Rainy days and mean people. ![]() |
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We Lost the Skyline............
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Arsillus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7374 |
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I think this whole ordeal was carried out way too long. That's a problem I have with the court system here in America. Well, at least Lifeson isn't in jail, so maybe we'll see that new Rush album soon...come on!
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tuxon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
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I don't lik police brutality.
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Dan Bobrowski ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243 |
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It's funny the way "witnesses" pop out AFTER the case is adjudicated. A little research into Cannivet would probably uncover some interesting stuff. Have you read the story from the band members who were harrassed by Lifeson's son? He's a rich guys kid who thinks his sh*t don't stink, started some trouble and a concerned (and inebriated) father tried to help. I don't know how much interaction ya'll have had with drunks, but even a well-intentioned drunk is still drunk. The cops probably did over-react, but I doubt the female cop threw Lifeson down the steps. The info I read had him striking her and THEN getting a bit o' "come to Jesus" in return. I carry a Taser when in uniform. On the use of force continuum, they are between common control holds and a impact weapon. Basically the same as pepper spray. Having been "exposed" to both, I'll take a tasing over the spray. The Taser has very little after effect. You might be shakey for a few minutes, but you don't remain immobilized for long. The sons, after effects, had more to do with alcohol than electricity. I'm glad it's over with and I hope no one sustained any long termed injuries.
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Ben2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 870 |
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Thanks for the post; I was beginning to wonder if we would ever hear the outcome of this or if the charges were dropped or what. I'm glad it turned out to be a minor sentence as I thought the whole thing smelled fishy from the get go. I mean, at the time, I thought Alex must have been pretty farcked up to do that, as he is usually such an easy-going, fun type of guy.
BTW your signature cracks me up James! Way to make the best of a bad situation! ![]() |
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James Lee ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3525 |
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^ did he testify in court? Well, I guess that wouldn't matter too much to most judges, if the police were all consistent with their account...and it wouldn't be the first time officers have decided to protect their own rather than stick with the full truth.
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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For the past year, John Cannivet said he has had to bite his tongue as he's read distorted versions of an altercation he witnessed between the lead guitarist for Rush and Collier sheriff's deputies on Dec. 31, 2003. As an employee of The Ritz-Carlton, Naples, where the fracas occurred, he hadn't been allowed to comment, even though he saw first-hand what happened in the stairwell of the hotel. But now that he no longer works for the hotel, he has this to say: Collier County sheriff's deputies went way too far. 'It was extreme police brutality,' said Cannivet, who was the assistant manager of stewarding until leaving that job in January. 'The whole time all this was going down, I'm thinking, "God, what did these people do? It must have been something really bad." It just bothered me....They (deputies) didn't have to use that force,' he said. 'When they shot Justin (with a stun gun), Justin wasn't violent at all. He was walking with the police. All he did was quit walking.' He said Justin and a deputy had words, and he saw Justin quit walking, and then the deputy pulled his Taser out. He said Justin backed away into a corner, seemingly scared. He kind of put his hands up. He kind of froze, and then they shot him (with the Taser),' Cannivet said. 'If I were to describe what it looked like after he got shot, it looked like a severe seizure. He was just out of it because he was electrocuted for a long time. If you could have seen how bad he was twitching on the ground, and screaming and crying, because it hurt so bad.' As Alex Zivojinovich saw this unfold, he charged up the stairs to help his son, Cannivet said. 'And that is when the female officer threw him (Alex) down the stairs,' he said. One of the two felony battery-on-a-law-enforcement charges that Alex Zivojinovich is facing, which could carry a five-year prison sentence, accuses him of throwing Collier sheriff's Cpl. Amy Stanford down the stairs, causing her injury. Cannivet said that just isn't so. 'I watched the female cop (Stanford) throw him (Alex) down there. She was three stairs above him, and so she had leverage. She grabbed him by the throat and he went falling backward,' Cannivet said. (Naples news) |
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James Lee ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3525 |
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I wonder what really happened. I guess we'll never know for sure. My gut tells me that rich rock star's sons aren't typically innocent and deputies don't typically punch someone in the face for nothing. If Alex & Justin were as blameless as they claim, don't you think a nolo contendere is unlikely? But stranger things have happened. |
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I know!! How tacky, cornball, and phony. He should write the president's speeches! |
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He deserves to be imprisoned for that press release if nothing else ![]() |
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Thank Gawd!!!! I couldn't stand to have Lerxst go to jail. I might've had to break him out.
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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'The lead guitarist for a renowned rock band faces criminal charges after a scuffle with Collier County sheriff's deputies at Ritz-Carlton, on New Year's Eve...reports said that trouble began after Justin Zivojinovich [son of Alex Lifeson] got up on the band's stage after being warned not to. The reports state that the 33-year-old Zivojinovich became verbally abusive after being asked to leave the stage...that is when his 50-year-old father came to the defense of his son..."I was singing Happy New Year's, that's all I was doing, singing to the whole crowd. That's all I said, 'Happy New Year,'" Justin Zivojinovich said. "Everyone was enjoying themselves. That's when someone apparently started yelling for one of the security guards. There was no violence on our part. I was ready to leave. I was asked to leave, and I said, 'OK, I'm going to go. I'll grab my wife and be out of there.' They didn't want that. They didn't want me to leave on a high note. They felt they would lose. They decided to aggravate me. They stunned me, as well as my father, with a stun gun." According to Justin Zivojinovich, Alex had his nose broken by deputies, and as he was spitting out the blood from the injuries, deputies assaulted him again. Justin said they have hired Naples defense lawyer Jerry Berry to represent them. Rush has scheduled a global 30th anniversary tour in 2004, and Justin said he did not know whether this arrest might affect those plans...Lifeson faces six charges that include aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer, resisting an officer with violence, and disorderly intoxication. Also arrested in the brouhaha were his 33-year-old son Justin Zivojinovich and his wife, Michelle, 30." - Naples Florida News, Jan. 1, 2004
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gleam ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 299 |
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I had heard something about this but don't know he details. Waht happened? |
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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Alex Lifeson and his son Justin have accepted a plea agreement in which they will serve no jail time on charges related to their scuffle with Collier County Florida sheriff's deputies at The Ritz-Carlton, Naples, on New Year's Eve 2003. The agreement calls for Alex and Justin to plead no contest to a single misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest without violence, serve 12 months probation and pay court costs. The most cheesey post-trial statement followed: Click here for court video: http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=3118 &z=3&p= |
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