Can Retro Prog be Progressive? |
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russellk
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Topic: Can Retro Prog be Progressive? Posted: November 20 2008 at 08:59 |
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Edit: duplicate post.
Edited by russellk - November 20 2008 at 09:00 |
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russellk
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Posted: November 20 2008 at 08:56 | ||
What specific piece of music does 'Retropolis' copy almost note for note? I think you have completely overstated your case. This is why so-called 'retro' prog has a bad name among some people. Not even STARCASTLE recreate YES albums almost note for note. They wrote original compositions but tried to sound like YES. Most 'retro' prog bands simply use the sounds of the classic 70s prog bands as one of their inspirations. There's no copying at all. Arguments like yours are why the term 'retro' has people annoyed. Edited by russellk - November 20 2008 at 09:02 |
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Scratchy
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 110 |
Posted: November 20 2008 at 06:33 | ||
I think progressive rock should have two elements to have full credibility to the form:- A true progressive rock musician would naturely have both these elements within his mindset. It has been mentioned above that prog doesn't need pop music's need to keep on re-inventing To reply to the original question.Retro prog does progress due to its natural flow,but I don't
think most prog listeners appreciate it that much because it does not push the boundaries of music. |
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infandous
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
Posted: November 18 2008 at 15:35 | ||
I just read all the previous posts, and have come to a definite conclusion: I have way too much free time
That, and I sure do love me some of that retro-prog goodness |
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AlanD
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 28 2008 Location: Portsmouth Status: Offline Points: 135 |
Posted: November 17 2008 at 11:29 | ||
For me, the most interesting artists of all are those that attempt to confound genre classification (eg Beatles, Stackridge, XTC) - it's a path that I conciously follow with my own composition and recording, imagination can lead you towards personal progress and some extraordinary places. Discovery is the name of the game...forget sales.
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Q6
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 18 2008 Location: York, UK Status: Offline Points: 126 |
Posted: November 17 2008 at 10:19 | ||
Are genres not there just to help collation? They don't affect the song, the band or the listener. They just help people find the song, the band or listener. So genres are names we follow to find that which we like. Does it matter that we use the same name as long as it is descriptive? Cold / chilly / bitter out / freezing..., all I know is it means wear a jumper?
Neo prog, retro prog, metal prog etc? These mean..., "hiphop/europop/house etc not found here", so I may just have a wander and see what I can find..., |
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Jim Garten
Special Collaborator Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Posted: November 17 2008 at 03:26 | ||
Do you know, I couldn't have put this better myself. |
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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jplanet
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: August 30 2006 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 799 |
Posted: November 17 2008 at 01:02 | ||
Just a little sly addition to Deathrabbit's function::
int argue() { argue(); return null; } Edited by jplanet - November 17 2008 at 01:03 |
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Failcore
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
Posted: November 17 2008 at 00:53 | ||
I deliberately left out the inductive step to showcase the perpetual nature of argumentativeness. I could do this:
void argue() { argue(); } :P Edited by Deathrabbit - November 17 2008 at 00:54 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 19:25 | ||
taking it one level deeper (especially for fans of Douglas R. Hofstadter's Godel, Escher & Bach): the test of intelligence is knowing when a recursive loop has entered an infinite regress. As Russell points out - you need an escape clause to break-out of the loop.
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 18:55 | ||
ahhhhh... oh yes he can. The infamous Fragile debate bro'. MIcky took him.. round about the 20th page when the site changed the release date to the correct one It just takes one as stubborn as him.. and has his patience.
ahhh.. good times... that is what hooked me on the site.. Ivan had invited me over here like a couple of weeks earlier. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 18:51 | ||
No. You'll never beat a lawyer, even if the reason assists you Russselk. Ivan will never lose a debate on this website.
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32552 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 13:08 | ||
Want some popcorn? |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 04:56 | ||
*is sad cos everyone seems to have just ignored my posts completely*
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russellk
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 02:40 | ||
I'm not an engineer, but I used to do fortran programming. I'd add a defensive/aggressive 'if then else' subroutine to that one, Deathrabbit.
Laughter's essential in the midst of such a serious debate. |
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jplanet
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: August 30 2006 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 799 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 02:21 | ||
if(music=="popular"){ return "claim it is unoriginal"; } else { return "call it progressive"; } :-P |
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Failcore
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 01:50 | ||
Humans are a while loop. while(others==wrong) { printf("I am right\n"); }
I sincerely hope there are some engineers here to get this joke :P. |
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russellk
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Posted: November 16 2008 at 00:10 | ||
Hey, I just want to see if it's possible for someone else to have the last word. Consider it a social experiment.
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32552 |
Posted: November 15 2008 at 23:15 | ||
*Ran out of popcorn...*
*Searching for Goobers on the floor* |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 20:25 | ||
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 15 2008 at 20:27 |
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