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Bitterblogger
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Topic: The Classical Appreciation Thread Posted: November 19 2008 at 17:56 |
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Don't forget the Quintet in C. It's even better, IMO. Among the very greatest in the genre. |
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DatM
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:33 | ||||
Hi, I'm new here, but just wanted t chime in this thread because I completely agree with jammun about string quartets. In fact my current project is completely based around that idea: http://www.myspace.com/deathmaiden As you can see from that I'm pretty fond of Schubert's Death and the Maiden quartet, as well as his other late quartets. I also like Beethoven's late quartets, though they can get a bit dense if I'm not in the mood. Other string quartets I enjoy: Bartok's 4th, Shostakovich's 8th, and Ravel's. Aside from that, composers and pieces that cme to mind: Sibelius' Violin Concerto (amazing melody) Stravinsky - Rite of Spring Bartok's Piano Sonata Haydn - Farewell Symphony Bach - Passacaglia in C minor (and Stokowski's orchestration!) Art of Fugue more modern stuff: Arvo Pärt - Tabula Rasa Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians Alfred Schnittke - Concerto Grosso No. 1 (Current favorite) That's all I can think of right now... |
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The Pessimist
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
Posted: November 12 2008 at 13:53 | ||||
They do have that effect on people Evgeny Kissin, although he has an arkward technique, does some fantastic interpretations on the Liszt-Paganini Variations. Number 2 is exceptionally difficult, well done for pulling it off In English, what you call an 8+3 would be a compound third. It's peculiar how all the terms differ from country to country... Oh well, i suppose it makes it more interesting! At the moment I'm learning the Prelude & Fugue in F# minor from Book II. My piano teacher says my technique needs a work out, don't know whether you can see that or not |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 12 2008 at 06:06 | ||||
Well, I can play an interval of 8+3 (sorry, I don't know how intervals, especially the composed ones, are called in English - the terms are, anyway, a lot different than in Romanian) with my right hand and an interval of 8+4 with my left hand, so it wouldn't be hard to play those overly stretched chords. About the video, I don't wanna make impressions like a critic - though, in a way, I like doing music critic i.e. see my reviews - maybe something from the recording blur somewhat the nuances (nuancing), otherwise I enjoyed listening to it. Seems to be a kind of "recreational" play as well... I didn't play this piece, if I did, I'd probably say a lot more "do this instead of that"... I like the Liszt-Paganini studies, I played nr. 2 (or 6?) in my 7th & 8th grade. The evolution was pretty much the same as in Brahms' case: grimaces during the first months, then, in the 8th grade, performances in presto leaving my colleagues with their mouths wide open. |
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 11 2008 at 18:57 | ||||
Anyone going to rescue this thread before it disappears from sight? Surely this can't be all the classical fans on PA
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 09 2008 at 17:35 | ||||
How about a piano piece that have chords that stretch over two octaves in each hand (no arpeggiating) called "Go On Then Brahms, Have a Crack At That" I think it will be recognised as highly innovative in the classical world, don't you agree? Of course, I'm not mocking my favourite composer in a spiteful way What are your opinions on my video from a fellow pianist's perspective? And I love the Paganini variations, I even prefer them to Liszt's versions. |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 09 2008 at 16:42 | ||||
You may inspire me. Just checked it now. You received 5 stars so far, wow! It just happens that, tomorrow, I shall play Brahms' Variations On A Theme by Paganini, 1st book in a class recital. (I'm quite into Brahms lately...I've got these Variations in my repertoire for two years now, might move on to those on an Aria by Haydn soon, plus the 1st Concerto, which has grown to me incredibly, some Waltzes, etc...) Edited by Ricochet - November 09 2008 at 16:46 |
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 09 2008 at 16:19 | ||||
May i make a suggestion for your next masterpiece? BTW Ricochet, have you listen to my youtube link? I think you may like it |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 09 2008 at 12:46 | ||||
Op. 220, as the catalogue number will be inversely proportion with the chronological factor. (in English, I have 219 pieces left to write in my lifetime...) |
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Trademark
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Posted: November 09 2008 at 12:45 | ||||
Long pieces are "Suuuiiiite" (s).
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 09 2008 at 12:40 | ||||
Long pieces are so 40s! Op.0 i take it? |
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 09 2008 at 10:42 | ||||
Suites are so (17)50s, it's just a long piece.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 09 2008 at 09:30 | ||||
Nice. Is it a suite? |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 08 2008 at 11:22 | ||||
I'm proud to announce that I've composed something called Music For Invisible Pianoforte. I've already found the perfect musician to play it - no it's not Lang Lang, on the contrary, it's:
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 07 2008 at 11:45 | ||||
Thanks man It is a very tough piece to pull off! By the way, just call me Alex |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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Trademark
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Posted: November 07 2008 at 10:48 | ||||
Kibbie Alex:. My daughter played that piece last February as part of her audition to University as a piano pedagogy major. I'm pretty sure she didn't make that cool sound at the end though. Edited by Trademark - November 07 2008 at 10:53 |
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Trademark
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Posted: November 07 2008 at 10:41 | ||||
The whole Classical Era vs. Classical Music issue gets a bit over done at times. Yes, the basic genre of classical music is poorly named and in that way it has a lot in common with Prog. There are pages and pages of threads about the difference between progressive approach and progressive style (i.e Prog vs. prog).
Classical music as a business entity (a genre with specific charts in Billboard as one example and of course there are others) is pretty well established. It includes music for Orchestra, Chamber music played on orchestral instruments, music for keyboard instruments, choral music, opera, & art song. In the present day the term also covers some hybrid forms such as electro-acoustic music. But you already knew that.... The term classical music was not in use during the classical era, much like like the term progressive rock was not in use in the early/mid 70's when the genre was at its peak (commercially). The term classical music came into being in the late 19th century and contrary to the absolutely horrible Wikipedia entry was NOT an attempt to canonize a certain body of music (Wiki lists Bach to Beethoven as the group but Bach was not even a classical era composer). The term was a convenient reference for journalists to the dominant position of Beethoven, Mozart, and Haydn (all composers of the Classical Era) on the concert programs of the day, but rapidly extended to any orchestral music given in concert and shortly thereafter to all the other genres listed above. There have been a number of attempts to "re-name" the genre in the past 40 years or so and classical music is now also sometimes referred to as "art-music" or "serious music". I believe you even referred to it in another thread recently as "tuxedo music", a name I wholeheartedly approve of in spite of having spent 25 years in the field without ever having worn a tux. Like Prog, classical music is a large and inclusive "umbrella" genre that includes a large number of sub-genres with a lot of parallels to prog. If we apply the nomenclature of this site to classical music we might see: Proto-Classical / Proto Prog: The Renaissance & Baroque Eras. The genre was just solidifying its main concept such as the major /minor key system, standard notation, and some of the basic forms (fugue, sonata, concerto). Instrumental technology was making new sounds and techniques (the improved violin and the early pianos circa 1710) possible and composers were testing them out, but it wasn't really "classical" yet. Classical & Romantic Eras/ Symphonic Prog The instrumental forces The orchestra, piano and major chamber ensembles) are set in place and a group of composers (Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven) make their mark using these basic groups in such remarkably creative ways that they leave their stamp on the genre forever. All composers from this time onward will labor in the shadow of these giants. Eventually the genre gets too big and bloated (Wagner, Bruckner, Mahler) and collapses under the weight of its overly ambitious concept works. This fragments the genre into a number of smaller sub-genres. 20th /21st Century: All the main sub-genres of classical music in the 20th century (what I call "The Age of Isms" in my classes) are represented in the prog world. Primitivism, Neo-Classicism, Minimalism, and the loose group of sub-genres known collectively as Modernist (which includes serialism, experimental, and aleatoric styles) a can be represented by Heavy Prog, Neo-Prog, Electronica, and Avant-Prog and many bands from these genres list composers from the corresponding ones as influences. In a thread like this one I'd advise not getting hung up on the Classical vs. classical issue. It is a very small detail in a very big picture. Russel, I know you were not specifically referencing the Wiki article. But I can easily imagine that folks will check it out to see what it might say on the issue and it is just SOOOO badly done. The article has so many factual errors and errors of inference and logic that I wouldnn't even know where to begin to correct it. Entries like this are the bedrock reason that Wikipedia is a joke in any academic community and why it is a dis-service rather than a service to people in general. A Wiki entry can only be trusted if you already know the information. The Wiki "definition" of this term is disputed by The Grove Encyclopedia of Music, The Harvard Dictionary of Music, The Oxford Music Dictionary, and Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Music and Musicians just to name just a few reliable sources and, if you read the first four paragraphs of the Wiki entry, it even contradicts itself! Just say no to Wiki.
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jammun
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 21:22 | ||||
Haven't really been through all this thread, but I've always been partial to string quartets: Beethoven, Debussy, Ravel. Seems to me this is about as close to a rock band as you can get, obviously not power-wise, but in terms of instrumentation, just lacking the drums. For classical to me less is more.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 18:30 | ||||
"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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limeyrob
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 13:13 | ||||
Just caught this thread and you can count me in as a classical music listener. Though to be pedantic 'Classical' generally refers to music written between 1730 and 1820. Sandwiched between Baroque and Romantic periods.
My favourites are CPE, JC and JS Bach, Vivaldi, Boccherini, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Dvojak to name but a few. I also like brass band music (Black Dyke Band in particular) and a fair chunk of military music especially with the strains of bagpipes.
The only drawback I find is that there is not enough time in a day to listen to music.
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