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    Posted: November 07 2008 at 13:09
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Any comments? Aside from calling me a "t**ser", please ... Wink
 
I can think of one or two more comments, Mike, which I would like you to consider carefully...Smile
 
1) Yes, I did read your first post.  I still nevertheless thought that you might be interested in seeing how I had graded the few albums from 2008, which I had heard, so I quickly knocked up an excel spreadsheet for you to comment on, if you wished.  I did this to try and be constructive and helpful, and maybe add something of value to the debate.  If I had believed beforehand that no-one would have been interested, then I wouldn't have bothered.

You see, I've literally spent months of work so that people can cast their votes comfortably at PF. So when I create a thread in a desperate attempt to get people to give it a try, maybe you can begin to understand how I feel when I see that someone simply ignores all that.

I'd be glad to know about your top 10 albums of 2008, but in this thread circumventing my website hurts my feelings - although I'm sure that that was not your intention, I can't help feeling this way.Embarrassed
 
2) Even if you found my scant 'data' an irrelevance, you could have at least had the common decency to acknowledge me with a simple 'thanks', or even ignored what had been a polite post.

I could say "thanks for the effort", but my heart would still be broken. I realise now that you made the post based on the thread title alone ... my apologies for not making it more clear. 
 
3) What you have basically said however, is that your opinions are not warranted, if you do not have a PF account.

Not at all. I value your opinion highly, it is simply off-topic ... you did not *vote*, you simply posted a list. I admire you for taking the time to compile it, but as honorable an effort as it may be, a year from now it will be lost in the archives of this forum ... what I'm intending to do here is to give you all a way to submit this information in a more permanent way, and taking much less time and efforts.

BTW: stonebeard started a similar thread which is for posting lists only ... your list would be in good company there.Smile

Whilst I personally find this to be rather rude and elitist, for me, it begs a number of other questions.  As you will be aware, I have raised this issue in the abuse reporting thread, concerning whether there are/ should be areas of the general forum where as a PA member, I am not allowed to post. 

This is not a question of allowing posts or not. The real question is whether I, as the owner of Progfreak.com, are allowed to make a thread in "General Music Discussions" which is targeted at PA users who also use PF. As it turns out, I'm not ...

The answers I have received have been an unequivical 'no'.  This means that you have no authority or mandate to ring-fence any threads or sections of this site for purely PF purposes, or indeed for any other account holders only, thereby marginalising ordinary PA members.
 
I am sorry that you found my above post to be unwarranted, or an intrusion into a private members club, but its not as if I have ever been denigrating towards your website, either now, or in times past.

Neither have I been denigrating towards you. All I did was to point out that I intended this thread for people who also use PF for the purpose of generating "top albums" lists.
 
I would finally just say to you that I genuinely thought I would get a bit of a flaying from the senior team concerning my outburst, but I only received one PM which was critical of my post, but several more in support of what I said.  Please don't start making the use or otherwise of PF a divisive issue on this forum, Mike, but just accept everyone's opinions for what they are, irrespective of which medium they use.

Feel free to continue to ignore PF ... I don't mind. I'll simply ask the admins to *delete* my account.
 
Right, that's all I've got to say on this issue...I won't post in here again.
 
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

If this thread is for PF users only then it needs to be moved to Get The Word Out...





Could you please also rename that category to "Keep it to yourself"? It does more justice to the frequentation ... my post will also be off topic there, so I'll rename it to "Shameless Plug".
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Any comments? Aside from calling me a "t**ser", please ... Wink
 
I can think of one or two more comments, Mike, which I would like you to consider carefully...Smile
 
1) Yes, I did read your first post.  I still nevertheless thought that you might be interested in seeing how I had graded the few albums from 2008, which I had heard, so I quickly knocked up an excel spreadsheet for you to comment on, if you wished.  I did this to try and be constructive and helpful, and maybe add something of value to the debate.  If I had believed beforehand that no-one would have been interested, then I wouldn't have bothered.

You see, I've literally spent months of work so that people can cast their votes comfortably at PF. So when I create a thread in a desperate attempt to get people to give it a try, maybe you can begin to understand how I feel when I see that someone simply ignores all that.

I'd be glad to know about your top 10 albums of 2008, but in this thread circumventing my website hurts my feelings - although I'm sure that that was not your intention, I can't help feeling this way.Embarrassed
 
2) Even if you found my scant 'data' an irrelevance, you could have at least had the common decency to acknowledge me with a simple 'thanks', or even ignored what had been a polite post.

I could say "thanks for the effort", but my heart would still be broken. I realise now that you made the post based on the thread title alone ... my apologies for not making it more clear. 
 
3) What you have basically said however, is that your opinions are not warranted, if you do not have a PF account.

Not at all. I value your opinion highly, it is simply off-topic ... you did not *vote*, you simply posted a list. I admire you for taking the time to compile it, but as honorable an effort as it may be, a year from now it will be lost in the archives of this forum ... what I'm intending to do here is to give you all a way to submit this information in a more permanent way, and taking much less time and efforts.

BTW: stonebeard started a similar thread which is for posting lists only ... your list would be in good company there.Smile

Whilst I personally find this to be rather rude and elitist, for me, it begs a number of other questions.  As you will be aware, I have raised this issue in the abuse reporting thread, concerning whether there are/ should be areas of the general forum where as a PA member, I am not allowed to post. 

This is not a question of allowing posts or not. The real question is whether I, as the owner of Progfreak.com, are allowed to make a thread in "General Music Discussions" which is targeted at PA users who also use PF. As it turns out, I'm not ...

The answers I have received have been an unequivical 'no'.  This means that you have no authority or mandate to ring-fence any threads or sections of this site for purely PF purposes, or indeed for any other account holders only, thereby marginalising ordinary PA members.
 
I am sorry that you found my above post to be unwarranted, or an intrusion into a private members club, but its not as if I have ever been denigrating towards your website, either now, or in times past.

Neither have I been denigrating towards you. All I did was to point out that I intended this thread for people who also use PF for the purpose of generating "top albums" lists.
 
I would finally just say to you that I genuinely thought I would get a bit of a flaying from the senior team concerning my outburst, but I only received one PM which was critical of my post, but several more in support of what I said.  Please don't start making the use or otherwise of PF a divisive issue on this forum, Mike, but just accept everyone's opinions for what they are, irrespective of which medium they use.

Feel free to continue to ignore PF ... I don't mind. I'll simply ask the admins to *delete* my account.
 
Right, that's all I've got to say on this issue...I won't post in here again.
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If this thread is for PF users only then it needs to be moved to Get The Word Out...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Any comments? Aside from calling me a "t**ser", please ... Wink
 
I can think of one or two more comments, Mike, which I would like you to consider carefully...Smile
 
1) Yes, I did read your first post.  I still nevertheless thought that you might be interested in seeing how I had graded the few albums from 2008, which I had heard, so I quickly knocked up an excel spreadsheet for you to comment on, if you wished.  I did this to try and be constructive and helpful, and maybe add something of value to the debate.  If I had believed beforehand that no-one would have been interested, then I wouldn't have bothered.
 
2) Even if you found my scant 'data' an irrelevance, you could have at least had the common decency to acknowledge me with a simple 'thanks', or even ignored what had been a polite post.
 
3) What you have basically said however, is that your opinions are not warranted, if you do not have a PF account.  Whilst I personally find this to be rather rude and elitist, for me, it begs a number of other questions.  As you will be aware, I have raised this issue in the abuse reporting thread, concerning whether there are/ should be areas of the general forum where as a PA member, I am not allowed to post.  The answers I have received have been an unequivical 'no'.  This means that you have no authority or mandate to ring-fence any threads or sections of this site for purely PF purposes, or indeed for any other account holders only, thereby marginalising ordinary PA members.
 
I am sorry that you found my above post to be unwarranted, or an intrusion into a private members club, but its not as if I have ever been denigrating towards your website, either now, or in times past.
 
I would finally just say to you that I genuinely thought I would get a bit of a flaying from the senior team concerning my outburst, but I only received one PM which was critical of my post, but several more in support of what I said.  Please don't start making the use or otherwise of PF a divisive issue on this forum, Mike, but just accept everyone's opinions for what they are, irrespective of which medium they use.
 
Right, that's all I've got to say on this issue...I won't post in here again.
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Just implemented two major changes which will make voting much easier:

1. You can now vote directly from the list on the left. Just select a rating from the dropdown - no need to open the rating editor popup for that (of course you can still use it to add further infos and tags).

2. The list on the left now has a "recommendation mode" which you can use to find albums that you haven't rated yet. It simply skips all albums to which you already assigned a rating.

Any comments? Aside from calling me a "t**ser", please ... Wink
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^ well, it can't hurt to read the first post of a thread ... Wink

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ sorry, but this thread is intended for people who enter the data at PF ... I'd be glad if you entered the albums there, all you need to do is to log in and assign a rating to the albums.Embarrassed
 
what????!!!!....Stern Smile
 
are you telling me that despite having been here for well over 3 years, that I'm ineligible to list the 2008 albums I have heard, in a PA thread entitled 'Top Albums of 2008....more votes needed!'  because I don't have an account on another website???
 
well screw you, Mike, you self-important t**ser....Angry
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^ sorry, but this thread is intended for people who enter the data at PF ... I'd be glad if you entered the albums there, all you need to do is to log in and assign a rating to the albums.Embarrassed

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Mike, its been a particluarly average year for releases so far, in the ones I've heard:
 

Position

Band

Album

Rating

1

Communic

Payment Of Existence

7.5

2

Zero Hour

Dark Deceiver

7.5

3

Dominici

O3 A Trilogy Part 3

7

4

Ayreon

01011001

6.5

5

Amaseffer

Slaves For Life

6.5

6

Pyramaze

Immortal

6.5

7

Lanfear

X to the Power of 10

6.5

8

To-Mera

Delusions

5.5

 
 
but I still have Andromeda, Seventh Wonder, Venturia, Soul Secret, Appearance Of Nothing & Suspyre to look forward to, so I'm hoping it will pick up...Smile
 
anyway, here's the voting from the Norwegian jury....Wink
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Quick update: I tweaked the display a lot, the page should now be a bit easier to read:

http://progfreak.com/home/users.xhtml?path=top_lists

The main genre label now contains up to two tags (for example "Magnificent Symphonic Prog Retro Rock!"), which makes the tag lists a bit shorter. I'll work on reducing them even more, with the goal being that no more than 3-4 tags are displayed for each entry.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ thanks for voting! Here's your chart:



Did you check out Zero Hour - Dark Deceiver?
 
Yes I have-
 
I like technical music, but it's pretty, ummm technical.
 
They can sure play- but it's just not my cup of tea.



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I haven't listened to it yet ... but it received good reviews in many magazines I read. I'm certainly not an elitist, and I'm glad for that ... it means that have a much wider range of styles to choose from.Smile
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I realized people didn't think it was prog, I was sad that they thought it was good. We are supposed to be elitists for Frith's sake!
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^ that's because we're in the "General Music" section. Try this link:

http://progfreak.com/home/users.xhtml?path=top_lists&ps=prog

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It makes me sad to see Disturbed there. :(
 
I haven't even heard almost all of those.
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Yet another update: Switched to a two column layout instead of the former three columns. Reduced the required number of albums to one and the number of displayed albums to 5 ... looks quite nice now!

http://progfreak.com/home/users.xhtml?path=top_lists


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^ take all the time you need ... but please let me know if you encounter any problems, I can only fix them if people report them.Embarrassed
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ on the chart page you simply need to find the edit button in the album chart on the left side () for the album you want to rate. You click it, and in the rating editor which opens you select a rating from the dropdown labelled "Main Rating".

Is that really too difficult? I know that some of the advanced features of PF are a bit complicated, but assigning a rating should not be that much of a problem anymore.

Let me know if you still have any problems with the website!Smile
 
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