Jack Bruce

June wrote: Ah, Atavachron was kind enough to indicate me the way toward this thread. I have originally added this to the LZ thread, and it's mostly for sheer entertainment value, because I'd love to hear a live version of this interview with Jack going "eff this" and "eff LZ' in that adorable diluted Scot accent of his... and because it's always fun to hear was some musicians truly think about their colleagues :   http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/page/classicrock?entry=led_zeppelin_you_re_crap   Don't get me wrong, I love both Cream and Led Zeppelin. Still enjoying Seven Moons too.

Yowza!  Well, there's a man not afraid to speak his mind. 

June wrote: Ah, Atavachron was kind enough to indicate me the way toward this thread. I have originally added this to the LZ thread, and it's mostly for sheer entertainment value, because I'd love to hear a live version of this interview with Jack going "eff this" and "eff LZ' in that adorable diluted Scot accent of his... and because it's always fun to hear was some musicians truly think about their colleagues :   http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/page/classicrock?entry=led_zeppelin_you_re_crap   Don't get me wrong, I love both Cream and Led Zeppelin. Still enjoying Seven Moons too.

hahhahahhahahaha... you rock June... . hadn't seen that...  here.. have some clappies... that is priceless.

 ^ micky means he's almost finished writing Bruce's bio for here at PA

Ah, Atavachron was kind enough to indicate me the way toward this thread. I have originally added this to the LZ thread, and it's mostly for sheer entertainment value, because I'd love to hear a live version of this interview with Jack going "eff this" and "eff LZ' in that adorable diluted Scot accent of his... and because it's always fun to hear was some musicians truly think about their colleagues :

Sean Trane wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^     Lynyrd on PA, if ABB is in?????

the day that group is added here is the day I leave....

absolutely no musical comparison....only geographic  the Allman Brothers Band celebrated the great ...the only real American contributions to music.. jazz and blues...  that other group...  celebrated and reinforcing  EVERY negative stereotype that exists about southerners and rednecks in general... we know it here in the states.  That is why the ABB band was ushered into the R&R HoF quicker than quick... and LS was purposefully snubbed for years.


edit.. read the liner notes to Kind of Blue... Duane Allman and the ABB are mentioned specifically and prominently in the retrospective of how  infuential Miles Davis was.  You find LS mentioned in ads for Rebel Yell whiskey and ads for f**king fishing gear hahahhaha




Edited by micky - November 03 2008 at 16:17

sh*t... I know better than to argue with you.. so I won't   I was a glint in my damned parents eye and you were there hahahha. Which is why I take your word as the frickin gospel man...

however.....I do love learning.. and listening..and a good discussion...so.... I type away with my thoughts. tell me if I am full of sh*t..

Dick Heath wrote: micky wrote: Progressive rock was a reaction against... exactly that kind of music.  I would strongly refute that suggestion - in theory the "reaction against"  argument may be used in the context of punk and the dynosaurs of rock. Prog rock grew out of, in part, the (British) blues boom of the mid to late 60's. yes it did grow out of it...  key word.. OUT of it..  the blues boom you speak of quickly, in the late 60's, became the psychedelic movement...  groups like the Stones dipped their toes but generally stayed away from it and always remained true to American blues inspired music... and away from prog rock completely.  However to simpify .. English psychedelic rock of the 60's can be said to have broken into three wings...   one dominated by the Yardbirds, Hendrix and Cream. That featured simple blues-based harmonic progression, and repetitive guitar riffs.  Keyboards and vocal harmonies that were so prominent in progressive rock were largely absent. a second ...dominated by Traffic, Colesseum and the Canterbury dynamic duo. That used woodwinds in addition to progressive rock standard of keyboards, and bass, guitar, and drums.  Harmonic patterns were MUCH more complex than the psychedelic branch noted above.  Of course this was the roots of what you know well as English Jazz-Rock.  Which Jack Bruce identified much more than his work with Cream.  the third..  what we largely consider proto prog here.. or did before many started being moved... were groups such as Moody Blues, Nice, Procol Harem and of course Floyd. Where large scale construction was emphasized over getting your rocks off with lengthy guitar jams based on simple blues progressions.  if that breakdown has some merit Richard... then is it fair not to say that progressive rock.. was in a way a reaction to ...an opposite of in a way to what Cream, Hendrix and the Yardbirds were doing.  Of course blues has always had a place in prog...  but we are not exactly talking about the Blues here...  we are talking the fragmentation of the psychedelic movement which was what gave birth to prog.  In that case...  groups like Cream, Hendrix, and the Yardbirds... and I will add the Allman Brothers.. who have as much a musical case for entry as any of them.. were on the psychedelic raft that got left behind when when progressive rock.. or Prog.. since the two can be interchangable.. or seperate.  As I like to say.. what made the music of that time so great.. was it was ALL progressive...  but maybe it is just me.. prog rock as we define it here....is a subset of that.  of 'progressive rock' In deed, how many prog music/progressive rock bands continued to use blues: Colosseum for a start. Micky take a look at the first prog rock sampler listed here, Wowie Zowie The World Of Progressive Music, and you'll find at least 2 straight blues tracks not a million millions from Cream - and at the time we did not think their inclusion was out of place. How much did Tull's first album take from the lead of Cream - even the track Cat Squirrel is lifted from the first Cream album? And let me repeat us old freaks in our late teens would have found Canned Heat and John Mayall in the section labelled "Progressive Music" in record shops.   Indeed in part the confidence rock musicians gain from the likes of Cream's ability  to jam and display virtuosity, the ability to improv like jazz musicians, contributed moving from 3 minute pop songs, to compositions/arrangements that could hold together for a side of an LP. BTW I'm not saying that blues was the major component rather an equal component. e.g. Listening to Jefferson Airplane's Bless Its Pointed Little Head recently, and reminded you get the blues biassed Casidy and Kaukonen infusing the psychedelia of the rest of the band, on longish jams.

I couldn't agree more with the rest... and if we are to recognize that as being prog... I sure as hell wouldn't have a problem with it.  I have had to fight off the impulse to call for The Allman Brothers to be here.   Raff tells me all the time I should suggest them.  If the bar is adjusted to that level.  They, my ALLTIME favorite group.. is  a shoe in here  It is not exactly how I see prog...  my mantra..  prog is art.... auditory art.. .there is an artistic asethtic to it.. not just about improv.. great solos  or lengthy compositions... but it was about rock made BY well off, well educated English musicians in that day for audiences that were the same.  My two cents my friend... curious as to what you think.  I don't think they ... Cream, Hendrix or the Yardbirds...belong here...  but who the hell am I. Just an asshole with an opinion hahahha

cheers Richard.. and I'll be working on a JB bio this weekend and throwing it your way to have you look at it.

Dick Heath wrote: micky wrote: Progressive rock was a reaction against... exactly that kind of music.  I would strongly refute that suggestion - in theory the "reaction against"  argument may be used in the context of punk and the dynosaurs of rock. Prog rock grew out of, in part, the (British) blues boom of the mid to late 60's. In deed, how many prog music/progressive rock bands continued to use blues: Colosseum for a start. Micky take a look at the first prog rock sampler listed here, Wowie Zowie The World Of Progressive Music, and you'll find at least 2 straight blues tracks not a million millions from Cream - and at the time we did not think their inclusion was out of place. How much did Tull's first album take from the lead of Cream - even the track Cat Squirrel is lifted from the first Cream album? And let me repeat us old freaks in our late teens would have found Canned Heat and John Mayall in the section labelled "Progressive Music" in record shops.   Indeed in part the confidence rock musicians gain from the likes of Cream's ability  to jam and display virtuosity, the ability to improv like jazz musicians, contributed moving from 3 minute pop songs, to compositions/arrangements that could hold together for a side of an LP. BTW I'm not saying that blues was the major component rather an equal component. e.g. Listening to Jefferson Airplane's Bless Its Pointed Little Head recently, and reminded you get the blues biassed Casidy and Kaukonen infusing the psychedelia of the rest of the band, on longish jams.

micky wrote: Progressive rock was a reaction against... exactly that kind of music.

I would strongly refute that suggestion - in theory the "reaction against"  argument may be used in the context of punk and the dynosaurs of rock. Prog rock grew out of, in part, the (British) blues boom of the mid to late 60's. In deed, how many prog music/progressive rock bands continued to use blues: Colosseum for a start. Micky take a look at the first prog rock sampler listed here, Wowie Zowie The World Of Progressive Music, and you'll find at least 2 straight blues tracks not a million millions from Cream - and at the time we did not think their inclusion was out of place. How much did Tull's first album take from the lead of Cream - even the track Cat Squirrel is lifted from the first Cream album? And let me repeat us old freaks in our late teens would have found Canned Heat and John Mayall in the section labelled "Progressive Music" in record shops.

Edited by Dick Heath - October 31 2008 at 10:38

I'll check where you asked about Pete Brown Hugues.. missed that..

and re: Cream.

NO NO and NO again...

that the danger if X then Y.  read the above  review of 'Things we Like'  not to mention the liner notes to Songs for a Tailor. Cream and JB were two completely different musical entities.   His solo career was an exploration of HIS musical love... jazz.  Cream has no place here IMO.  Progressive rock was a reaction against... exactly that kind of music. 

Jack Bruce has been approved for J-R/F. and will be working on the addition.  Will take some time to do a bio that fits the artist. Hopefully will have him added in a week or so.  Will try to get it this weekend since my weeks are pretty much shot to hell.