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rogerthat
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Topic: Your opinion of George Starostin Posted: February 27 2011 at 01:17 |
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I'd say that he finds the BEST element of the Carpenters to be Karen's voice. I think he just dislikes or disregards Richard's arrangements and singing as weak. That's not ignorance just a difference of opinion. Not saying his opinion is perfect but I think calling him ignorant is rather harsh. Name another online record reviewer that would actually give the Carpenters the time of day at ALL. He doesn't judge them as harshly as others I've read.
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Exactly. I have read his Carpenter reviews and there are in fact a lot of references to Richard's role. I don't know if that is exactly what he thinks, but I'd personally agree with an assessment that Richard's arrangements are quite sappy and mushy and it's Karen's singing that breathes life into them. This comes out even on comparing their versions (er, many of Richard's 'compositions' were simply rearrangements of Paul Williams songs) to that of other artists; often the latter have better arrangements but Karen's singing just makes a much more distinct impression. And common sense dictates that a singer needs a composer and arranger to put together albums but there's no need to double-triple emphasise the arranger's role and 'distribute credit' evenly between the two because the mark of a great singer is to make mediocre arrangements appealing or at least to make the listener ignore them and focus on the singing. I had a similar argument with some Dunford fanboy (who was also a Carpenters fan) and given the tone of his (enzando) post, I wonder if it's not the same person.
Edited by rogerthat - February 27 2011 at 01:23
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 13:14 |
Mark may have fairly incoherent reviews but I'll say this in his defense: he's actually a good person and a nice guy. He actually corresponds and interacts with his fans on Facebook and Myspace like a normal person, not as a quasi-internet celebrity. Imagine, say, Stephen Thomas Entwistle (I know it's not Entwistle but I'm blanking on his last name and not interested in looking it up) interacting with his fans in the same way and you see the difference. I disregard Mark's sporadic writing for this reason and because he's not a professional reviewer. Just an amateur.
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 13:10 |
I'd say that he finds the BEST element of the Carpenters to be Karen's voice. I think he just dislikes or disregards Richard's arrangements and singing as weak. That's not ignorance just a difference of opinion. Not saying his opinion is perfect but I think calling him ignorant is rather harsh. Name another online record reviewer that would actually give the Carpenters the time of day at ALL. He doesn't judge them as harshly as others I've read.
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boo boo
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 12:05 |
Yeah, his bias is pretty noticable a lot of times, especially his dislike of metal.
At least his reviews can qualify as actual reviews. The other big internet music critic, Mark Prindle, just makes a bunch of incredibly unfunny stupid ramblings that have absolutely nothing to do with anything. His writing skills are identical to that of an ADD aflicted Chimpanzee.
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Posted: February 26 2011 at 11:57 |
Again we have your typical record review type person. He made a comment about the Carpenters that really showed his ignorance. He said the Duo's (or, rather, Karen's talent) ...anyone knows that as great as Karen sang, Richard was the one who wrote the arrangements, searched and picked the material that would best suit Karen. Was responsible for the "sound" the Carpenters had. Sang and arranged all the Backing Vocals. Overdubbed all the Backing Vocals with Karen. etc...Had all the great ideas. Played perfect Piano and Keyboards. Mixed all the records. Karen's solo album is proof that Richard was responsible in a huge way for the success of the duo. All that said I feel Karen was one of the best pop vocalists ever. But to make a reference that Richard's talent had nothing to do with the success of the duo, really shows lack of talent as a reviewer.
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Posted: May 27 2010 at 15:36 |
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I like his reviews (and I'm pretty sure it's a guy.) It's obvious that he has biases, but it's still nice that there is a critic out there who puts Prog on a high pedestal.
What do you all here think of Piero Scaruffi? He's a pretty tough critic, favoring mostly experimental records, although he does hold some Prog on a high pedestal (mainly Krautrock and Canterbury.) He's never given an album a perfect 10/10 and only a handful of others have garnered 9-9.5/10's. The album he considers to be the all-time greatest rock album has always remained Trout Mask Replica, branding it the only rock album of the 20th century worth hearing (which is strange considering the money he must spend on Rock CD's to write all those reviews . He's extremely influential on the internet, with some user-made lists on Best Ever Albums and Rate Your Music pretty much copying his and arranging it a little bit.  I also think he is the cause of the resurgence of Trout Mask Replica's and other experimental rock bands' popularity. He's also famous for hating the Beatles and refuting their influence on Pop music.
Personally, I think he's a little pretentious, but he does offer some interesting insights that can change the way you view Pop music. It does annoy me that other than the albums in the 7.5-9.5 range, almost all the others are between 4-6, which puts some phenomenal albums among some real stinkers. His website is mostly in Italian, though, so for the most part you can only see the ratings unless you know the language. |
A little pretentious?
I really can't stand that guy at all.
Though NO critic is as bad as Christgau or Sheffield. No one.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 17:39 |
I like his reviews (and I'm pretty sure it's a guy.) It's obvious that he has biases, but it's still nice that there is a critic out there who puts Prog on a high pedestal.
What do you all here think of Piero Scaruffi? He's a pretty tough critic, favoring mostly experimental records, although he does hold some Prog on a high pedestal (mainly Krautrock and Canterbury.) He's never given an album a perfect 10/10 and only a handful of others have garnered 9-9.5/10's. The album he considers to be the all-time greatest rock album has always remained Trout Mask Replica, branding it the only rock album of the 20th century worth hearing (which is strange considering the money he must spend on Rock CD's to write all those reviews . He's extremely influential on the internet, with some user-made lists on Best Ever Albums and Rate Your Music pretty much copying his and arranging it a little bit.  I also think he is the cause of the resurgence of Trout Mask Replica's and other experimental rock bands' popularity. He's also famous for hating the Beatles and refuting their influence on Pop music.
Personally, I think he's a little pretentious, but he does offer some interesting insights that can change the way you view Pop music. It does annoy me that other than the albums in the 7.5-9.5 range, almost all the others are between 4-6, which puts some phenomenal albums among some real stinkers. His website is mostly in Italian, though, so for the most part you can only see the ratings unless you know the language.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 16:53 |
Well I dunno the guy has said a lot of comments about how "there are very few metal bands who aren't really dumb", not an exact quote but statements that are just as personal, he seems to think metal really is a stupid genre for stupid people. It goes beyond ignorant, I think the guy has a personal problem with metalheads that stems from very troubling childhood memories.
His biases against certain bands are very evident too.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 11:25 |
Yeah, he doesn't pretend to be a know it all on metal or that people who like it are daft. He admits honestly that he is not a specialist and doesn't really dig it but can still find some albums to like in it.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 11:21 |
He is REALLY biased against metal. And against most newer forms of music in general.
Though really, he doesn't bother me too much, his arrogance is compensated for by at least not being stupid, I can't say the same for the great majority of people who post comments on his site, they're just arrogant AND stupid.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 11:04 |
I wouldn't rate ABBA over Black Sabbath, but I don't necessarily find George doing so so objectionable too. I don't really know why rock fans are obliged to hate ABBA or something, but that's the feeling I got from reading some of the comments on his ABBA page. On that note, I do think he is a little impatient and harsh with metal, but it's not a beast everyone comes to terms with so that's not so surprising.
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 10:30 |
I haven't looked too much at his old site.
I'd agree about ABBA. Hardly ever listen to them any more though. Good music is good music, regardless of whether it has 17 minutes of guitar solos or not. Example: I bought five Kraftwerk albums, four Miles Davis albums and two Todd Rundgren albums (Runt and Todd).
Diversion: Todd gets no respect.
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tarkus1980
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 10:00 |
George doesn't like his old rating system much anymore either. In his new reviews, he's just giving everything a "thumbs up" or a "thumbs down."
ABBA is wonderful.
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boo boo
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 09:01 |
Yeah I'm not fond of his Tony Banks or Gilmour bashing. And now everyone has to use words like "banksynths" and "dentistry" ad nauseum until I can't take it anymore.
I also hate his rating system and disagree with a huge portion of it. Giving Black Sabbath a D and ABBA a C? Wuh?
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 12:22 |
I like George, so much so I was often accused in years past of being a "George Clone." Our music tastes synch up about 80% of the time, and I'm not going to lie and pretend my writing wasn't, at least in the early stages of my site, very heavily influenced by his style (I've tried to purge the more blatant George-isms from my writing since then, though I still think "Banksynths" is a hilarious word and I've tried my best to keep it alive). I don't read him much nowadays, though; there's really not much point at this juncture, mostly because I consumed his site so heavily in the first half of the 00's.
"I really like his reviews, I generally agree with most of them. too bad his site isn't updated anymore (or at least no new band bio's or new albums are added anymore). "
Not true. He's doing all of his writing now in a new format linked from the main page.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 10:58 |
There are a lot of assertions in general about music he makes that I don't agree with at all, in particular how he evaluates melody and diversity (in which Lennon solo and Dylan are better writers of melody than Stevie Wonder  ). Or his tendency to dismiss anything he cannot immediately grasp as dissonant.  He also said somewhere that a really great album should not have to be heard half a dozen times to appreciate it, and I disagree with that too. BUT he generally expresses these biased views in a polite and reasonable tone, and never pretending that they are facts, just that that's the way he perceives music. Which is why his reviews are easy on the eye.
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 06:19 |
I really like his reviews, I generally agree with most of them. too bad his site isn't updated anymore (or at least no new band bio's or new albums are added anymore).
Love how he bashes Uriah Heep 
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 05:59 |
I have observed his site a lot lately. He seems to know his rock history pretty well, just making a few screw ups every now and then. But like every critic he has a pretty irritating elitist attitude. Though I guess the softies aren't as interesting to people and I perfectly understand that.
For one I stand his bias towards the "pioneers" and against newer rock music.
He's not too biased against prog and even defends it from it's harsher critics a lot of times so that I can appreciate. I'm more bothered by how obsessed he is with a band's originality and he seems to equate originality with creating a new subgenre, as in if a band hasn't created their own genre then it doesn't matter how unique they are, they aren't original at all.
And also giving Yes a 2 in diversity and The Rolling Stones a 5 is pretty ridiculous. Oh and I'm a Uriah Heep fan. 
Still he is one of the better music critics (not saying much). A hell of a lot better than Prindle that's for sure, that guy is a lunatic and his reviews always devolve in ridiculously incoherent rants and what I assume is an attempt at humor. Why is that guy so popular? His reviews are absolutely terrible.
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Posted: April 05 2010 at 16:57 |
SonicDeath10 wrote:
Sorry to sound like a raving "fan boy" of the guy but I've been reading him for nine years and I honestly can't imagine what my taste would be like if I hadn't started reading him. Probably a lot more like Mark Prindle: as it is, I'm a mix between them and John McFerrin. |
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SonicDeath10
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Posted: April 02 2010 at 13:59 |
Sorry to sound like a raving "fan boy" of the guy but I've been reading him for nine years and I honestly can't imagine what my taste would be like if I hadn't started reading him. Probably a lot more like Mark Prindle: as it is, I'm a mix between them and John McFerrin.
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