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Guillermo
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Topic: Yes to tour with "Understudy" singer Posted: October 19 2008 at 23:48 |
I think that YES could simply split without Jon Anderson. I don`t see another goal for the "Howe / Squire / White of YES" band apart only to earn more money for their lives. The politics in YES have always been very difficult. I don`t know if the members are really friends or they are only "bussiness partners". I think that if they were real friends they just simply wait for Anderson to improve in health. But, by the other part, the trio have waited Anderson for four years to tour, and he wasn`t able to do it because he was working as a solo musician or with bad health. But I consider Anderson as the only member of YES who is really very hard to replace. YES tried once without him in 1980. Of course, it wasn`t the same and the "Drama" line-up didn`t last.
As Rick Wakeman said recently in one interview quoted in alt.yes.faq, maybe it could be a good idea to play with Anderson and him again in YES only "for a couple of very special gigs, no more long tours".
To celebrate Procol Harum`s 30th Anniversary of their first single in 1997, they played only one gig in England in 1997. Gary Brooker was joined on stage by almost all the former members of the band, playing the songs with different line-ups. This could be a very good idea for YES to do in 2009 to celebrate more than 40 years in the musical world: why not to play 4 or 5 nights in the Royal Albert Hall, for example, having Anderson and Wakeman there (both with health problems which prevent them to do long tours), inviting every musician that has been in the band, playing in different line-ups, recording one or more of the concerts for CD / DVD releases, and simply finishing the career of YES with a reunion of old friends? I think that Squire, White and Howe are more put into action now by money that for anything else.
I read in the Internet that, after years of offers (very well paid in money) to reform the band Cream, Eric Clapton finally agreed to play with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker when he learned that Baker has been ill with arthritis and Bruce survived a battle with cancer. He finally reformed Cream because he thought that playing with his friends again could not be possible if he waited more time to do it. They played 4 or 5 nights in the Royal Albert Hall in May 2005, and they released a live album on CD and DVD. YES could do the same but...long tours are better because they earn more money, of course.
I read Oliver Wakeman`s interview in "Notes from the Edge". He mentioned several songs considered to be played by "SHW of YES": not very interesting for me. More of the same: "Close to the Edge", "Siberian Khatru", "Soth Side of the Sky", etc. Some "new songs" in the setlist: "Machine Messiah", "Tempus Fugit" (both interesting because Anderson didn`t want to sing them), "A Venture" (composed by Anderson!, from "The YES Album" and never has been played live by YES). Oliver also said that he doesn`t have "Relayer" among his collection of YES albums (mainly because his father didn`t have it in his collection, as Oliver really listened to his father`s collections of records in his childhood). So, no "Relayer" songs in the setlist. Maybe "Starship Trooper" again, and of course, "Roundabout". As I have several live albums and DVDs with most of these songs sung by Anderson (except the "Drama" songs of course) I don`t see a good reason to see this "SHW of YES" line-up in concert.
Maybe an interesting set-list from "SHW from YES" could be:
"Harold Land" from their first album, never has been played in concert. It is one of the best songs in that album in my opinion. (Maybe Howe could say "No!" because he didn`t play in the original version).
"To Be Over" and "The Gates of Delirium" from "Relayer".
"In the Silent Wings of Freedom" from "Tormato".
"Machine Messiah" and others from "Drama".
And that 's all, because I don`t think that Howe could want to play songs from Trevor Rabin`s albums with YES.
Edited by Guillermo - October 20 2008 at 00:53
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 16:42 |
Yes without Jon Anderson would be about the same as ELP without Palmer ...
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Posted: October 11 2008 at 15:33 |
npjnpj wrote:
They should have asked Annie Haslam to join as lead singer!
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You sir, will be my recommendation when Yes comes to me and asks who they should get for their management.
But heck, they are actually coming near here. This is probably as close as they have been since the Relayer tour.
Edited by ghost_of_morphy - October 11 2008 at 15:34
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Posted: October 08 2008 at 16:47 |
It appears that at least here in Detroit, they are marketing the concert as Steve Howe, Chris Squire, and Alan White of Yes, and not just as Yes. A small difference, but I think an important one.
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Posted: October 03 2008 at 11:04 |
I know Benoit and, yes he's a good singer, with the same voice and looks, but he has also the same spirit, a simple guy with a family, with a heart for Yes music and with all the good intentions.
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Posted: September 27 2008 at 11:49 |
Jon will never be back (IMO)
(at least NOT for a "full tour")
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Posted: September 26 2008 at 23:44 |
Chris Stacey wrote:
I saw it of all places in The Sun online UK
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If Queen picked up Paul Rodgers, maybe Zep was looking at Sammy Hagar ?
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted: September 26 2008 at 21:58 |
I saw it of all places in The Sun online UK
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Posted: September 26 2008 at 21:41 |
Just to point out something interesting, Robert Plant initially refused to take part in the reunion tour. However, it's been said that Led Zep were planning on a tour without Plant because an American fellow impressed them so much that they thought they didn't need him. This sentiment, clearly, struck fear into Robert's heart and he suddenly changed his mind. Funny how this seems to connect with the current issue, no?
Frankly, I think it's ridiculous that Chris, Steve and Alan did this without Jon's consent. HE should be the one to OK the "understudy" in my mind. However, I also think it's ridiculous that Jon is as irate as he is. Who's he to say what Yes is and isn't? Who's ANYBODY to say? Moreover, who's to CARE? If this group toured under a different name, it'd still be the same product. Whether or not it's genuinely "Yes" is immaterial. People are too hung up on nomenclature.
As for musical matters, Benoit David's AMAZING. Check out that climactic note before the pipe organ in CTTE in the YouTube video. Every bit as strong as even Jon's best nights. There are actually some advantages to this lineup, i.e. being able to perform music from Drama and stuff that Jon doesn't like. Also, one must admit, as much as we all love Rick, he's a real limiting factor on their setlists. I really don't know if Oliver is any more open minded, but one thing's for sure, if Rick was on the tour, we certainly wouldn't be hearing Ritual. (And we may not, anyway, I'm just sayin'.) Even if it was sub-par for Yes, it'd be unique.
Sadly, I won't be able to see the tour anyway. Hopefully next summer they'll reunite with Jon, because in light of everything I just said, Jon's the REAL singer from my favorite band. He's the one we've all listened to for as long as we've been fans.
In addition, is anybody else slightly unconvinced that this is actually going to happen? I mean, it sorta sounds like the "More Drama" tour, doesn't it? And we all know how THAT went over.
Edited by Syntharachnid - September 26 2008 at 21:42
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Posted: September 26 2008 at 07:24 |
Chris Stacey wrote:
Changing the tact slightly Robert Plant has finally agreed to join Zep for next year's tour. The more I think about it the more mindboggling it is that Squire and co have gone ahead this year without JA and not waiting a bit...
Mind you who said that all people in their 60's make rational decisions..................... |
Please give us a link for the Zep story ???????
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Posted: September 26 2008 at 05:58 |
Changing the tact slightly Robert Plant has finally agreed to join Zep for next year's tour. The more I think about it the more mindboggling it is that Squire and co have gone ahead this year without JA and not waiting a bit...
Mind you who said that all people in their 60's make rational decisions.....................
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Posted: September 25 2008 at 20:28 |
I wonder what Howe said when Yes came out with 90125 ?
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Posted: September 25 2008 at 15:33 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Seems Jon Anderson is a bit miffed:
"Disappointed, and very Disrespected Disappointed that, with the exception of one phone call from Alan, none of the guys have been in touch since my illness, just to find out how I am doing, and how we will foresee the future for YES. And disappointed that they were not willing to wait till 2009 when I’m fully recovered. And I feel very disrespected, having spent most of this year creating songs and constant ideas for the band, spending time with Roger Dean creating a stage design, also working with VH1 and Sirius and XM Radio to help promote the welfare of YES. Getting sick was not "on my radar”, and I thank my own angel Janeee and my family for helping me through this difficult time, and the many well wishers, friends and fans alike, for understanding that ''things happen''. Of course I wish the guys all the best in their 'solo' work, but I just wish this could have been done in a more gentlemanly fashion. After all YES is a precious musical band. This is not YES on tour... I send best wishes to one and all, Jon"
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Having read this, I can only say: shame on the others!
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Posted: September 25 2008 at 05:28 |
NaturalScience wrote:
(I saw several concerts with Khoroshev and it was great because they played Gates - as an aside I wonder if Oliver would have hangups about Relayer stuff because his father didn't play on it? Hmm.).
Definitely wouldn't pay > $100 for this either.
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According to the interview on NFTE, Oliver never bought that album and only knows "Soon".
Well, I hope that Jon comes up with a surprise. What about Anderson Bruford Moraz Rabin?
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 18:47 |
Could be. But the reality seems to be that the "franchise" draws better than the individual members. So many will go see Yes, no matter what agglomeration; while many of the same wouldn't bother buying tickets for an Anderson/Howe/Squire/Moraz tour.
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 14:40 |
I think Squire has lost his marbles. I thought the end was nigh with Drama but it turned out to be one of their best albums but they weren`t really trying to replace Anderson but just to put together a different "mark" of the band. Here I think Squire is trying to put up a Jon Anderson clone and it just no going to work.
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 11:56 |
I'm not sure if I can see Yes without Jon. There would have been no worries having Oliver on keys (I saw several concerts with Khoroshev and it was great because they played Gates - as an aside I wonder if Oliver would have hangups about Relayer stuff because his father didn't play on it? Hmm.). But this is different, plus Jon is really hurt by this. Doesn't Squire have exclusive rights to the name "Yes"? Legally fine I suppose but it's the sort of "bitchiness" that unfortunately seems to plague Yes.
Definitely wouldn't pay > $100 for this either.
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 11:45 |
RaphaelT wrote:
Actually contemporary Focus is just Thijs van Leer and three fans of old Focus - so only Chris could be left in Yes |
Pierre van der Linden is back.
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 11:33 |
Yeah, that would be cool. It reminds me of Genesis recruiting Ray Wison for Calling all Stations. It no work. This guy does sound a lot like Anderson but it still no going to work especially for $123.50. Especially that last 50 cents that`s what would break my bank.
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 11:16 |
Annie Haslam could make "happy birthday to you" sound like a masterpiece.
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