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Dr. Occulator ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 04 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 634 |
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I think if Bruford had not been Yes's previous drummer there would never be a discussion whether or not Alan White is a prog drummer.
Alan White is an excellent prog drummer. Bill Bruford is an exceptional prog/jazz drummer. |
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febus ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: January 23 2007 Location: Orlando-Usa Status: Offline Points: 4312 |
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Yorkie, i don't think the poll was stupid.
![]() ![]() ![]() I usually enjoy Pablo polls, they are different ,thanks god, and i enjoy yours too when you poll ![]() Edited by febus - September 08 2008 at 21:00 |
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Yorkie X ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1049 |
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No offense but this is a ridiculous poll yet it needed to happen because it has been popping its head up in places for awhile now. White replaced Bruford anybody who replaced Bruford was going to be in an unfair position to be judged as a prog drummer and I think that's the real issue. Nobody can replace Buford , Peart or even Portnoy without some copping flak, lets face it White has done a great job accept that fact ... next poll please.
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peskypesky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2005 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 359 |
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I'll never understand the lack of respect for Alan White around here. He was Yes's drummer for all those years for a reason, people. You think Anderson, Squire and Howe were content to play with a sub-par drummer year after year after year?
Just because he wasn't flashy and didn't call attention to himself does not mean he was not a prog drummer. This is ridiculous. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I agree, as a fact many musicians would had played for free with John Lennon.
Who can reject the chance of playing with a living legend and one of the most prolific and influential musicians of history?
Now if you talk about musicians like Randy "The Emperor" Jackson, who after playing with Cobbham, Ponty, Journey and Aretha, accepted to play bass for N'Sync and Britney.........Well, then I would believe you are talking about somebody who made it for the bucks.
But Lennon...I would had paid to play drums with him.
Iván
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65695 |
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why wouldn't a musician enjoy playing with John Lennon? Seems like the chance of a lifetime, or is there something I don't know
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J-Man ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
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He played with John Lennon to pay the bills. Probably not for enjoyment.
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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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Is Prog.
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Interesting footnote. The greatly neglected Terrry Reid had Alan White pencilled in as drummer for his Isle Of Wight Festival appearance in 1970. However, John Lennon banned White from going and instead Krimson's Mike Giles deputed for the night - and the recording suggests Giles provided some nice but unexpected drumming which I don't believe White was capable of
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He's got to be prog for me, Pablo. His work in GFTO, Gates (Yesshows version) and Drama stand out. Very versatile, and very good.
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I couldn't have said this any better. |
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Well, i played drums for many years and I never known how people define a Prog drummer.
Having a well developed and technical style?
Most Jazz drummers have a great technique.
Drummers as Palmer, who is an icon, is IMO more strength than technique, not that he is bad, but he's not in the level of a Peart, Bruford, Ehart, Manu Katche or even Collins.
A good Rock drummer can play Prog, Pop or Punk, maybe not Jazz because it's a different technique, if you place Peart in The Who or The Rolling Stones, I'm sure he'll make an outstanding job.
A Prog drummer is one that has played in a Prog band, and White has played in Yes for decades, what else do you want.
Iván
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20035 |
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Not sure that there is such a thing as a "prog" drummer. A good drummer should be able to play most styles. White's background is in rock and Bruford is a jazz drummer but they both fitted into Yes ok.
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fusionfreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 23 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 1317 |
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Alan White surely is one of the best rock drummers(he played with Joe Cocker and John Lennon for example),a great session man and he did and still does outstanding stuff in Yes so he clearly can play
in a prog style:I very much enjoy his playing throughout Tales but he's not a prog drummer stricto sensu.
He still rocks so that's great!
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Voted Yes, for reasons provided by others already.
You should also check out White's recent work with Circa some time, although he's a bit overpowered there by Billy Sherwood's bass some of the time. Edited by Angelo - September 07 2008 at 13:13 |
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he's played with Yes for more years than many here have been alive hahahha. Sure he is.. what else would he be? If he's not..just what is Peart... as someone noted earlier.. very much in the same style.. which was suited for big stadiums and concerts.. a hard hitting rock drummer with enough chops to play prog. Bruford for example was the first to admit he wasn't.
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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I agree with "rockiest part of Yes" For the rest that say his playing on Relayer is proggy, I just find it to be the clearest example of what I mean. His playing on Gates of Delirium is full of power and energy as I said at the begining, but the style is clearly Rock or Hard Rock, with some Prog leanings of course. Sound Chaser well yeah, but just imagine Bill Bruford playing on this one! AGAIN! I'm not saying he's a bad drummer, just that his style isn't Prog. He's a fine Rock Drummer that plays in a AMAZING Prog band. |
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el böthy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
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He is not too progressive, although he sure can play so if he wants to (Relayer). I´d say he is the "rockiest" part of Yes
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