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    Posted: December 13 2008 at 06:18
The whole SEBTP highlights Hackett's chops - for that reason, he admits its his favorite.  While Moonlit Knight is a great song, Fifth of Firth highlights:  1) Tony Banks piano intro; 2) Gabriel on the theme-lick on flute; and 3) Hackett on the theme-lick on awesome Les Paul sustained guitar!  For me, THIS is the best song of the album - bar none...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:49
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Tony errr do not understand you post? Ermm



Just pointing out that we have a specific forum for discussing albums that's all.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:42
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genesis were an intellectual rock band who started in the late sixties/early seventies and are widely credited with popularising massive paragraphs of red text
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:27
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

genesis were an intellectual rock band who started in the late sixties/early seventies and are widely credited with popularising massive paragraphs of red text


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genesis were an intellectual rock band who started in the late sixties/early seventies and are widely credited with popularising massive paragraphs of red text
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:14

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:11
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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL


something about it doesn't "rouse you"...sorry, the keyboard solo is among the most heartfelt, emotional things I've heard in prog, I think it's Banks' best work.


exactly...Clap

and not just Banks.. probably among my top favorites of ANY keyboard solo...  it still knocks me silly and sideways...
 
and by the way she called "Banksynths" what a Wacko




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:10
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL


something about it doesn't "rouse you"...sorry, the keyboard solo is among the most heartfelt, emotional things I've heard in prog, I think it's Banks' best work.
Of course is Banks best work, but she had "strange reactions" to evident things...




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:09
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

LOL ' And yes, as long as bad taste exists in this world, there will always be Uriah Heep fans.' LOL
 LOLLOLLOLLOL one of his favourite quotes...




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:08
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL


something about it doesn't "rouse you"...sorry, the keyboard solo is among the most heartfelt, emotional things I've heard in prog, I think it's Banks' best work.


exactly...Clap

and not just Banks.. probably among my top favorites of ANY keyboard solo...  it still knocks me silly and sideways...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:07
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL


something about it doesn't "rouse you"...sorry, the keyboard solo is among the most heartfelt, emotional things I've heard in prog, I think it's Banks' best work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:05
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Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

And i do hate when her critique of Uriah Heep


ouch.. harsh LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:05
LOL ' And yes, as long as bad taste exists in this world, there will always be Uriah Heep fans.' LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:04
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And i do hate when her critique of Uriah Heep


ouch.. harsh LOL
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not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:01
And i do hate when her critique of Uriah Heep




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:58
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

nah...  get into trouble too many times around here because I can't LOLLOL

and definitely not like this... this floors me everytime I read it...  he really is a good writer.  Never would have thought to describe a group this way.

 
Actually is She LOLLOL, and also i do like sometimes his writing style, but... she is a pain in the ass with sometimes clever critique.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:54
nah...  get into trouble too many times around here because I can't LOLLOL

and definitely not like this... this floors me everytime I read it...  he really is a good writer.  Never would have thought to describe a group this way.

We've all had this experience at some point, I'm sure. You meet somebody, and sure enough, on first glance, you can see absolutely nothing extraordinary or special about that person. In fact, the only traits that stand out at first are flaws - a slight weight problem, an episode with acne, geeky glasses, whatever. But then, almost by accident, you begin to pick up on little positives - a nice smile, a good sense of humor, a general good demeanor towards life, etc. You still see the negatives, but even then, you begin to realize that they are integral in the shaping of the person, and perhaps, even to a certain (even large) extent, are an actual positive in the full context of that person (not to mention that, since we all have flaws ourselves, the flaws in others help us to see the other as that much more human, which in turn makes the positives that much more appealing). And then the next thing you know, before you realize it, that gangly, ugly person becomes the love of your life (or, at least, of the next couple of months).

For me, no musical group has come closer to that description than Genesis. Upon first listen to the group, my impressions were as follows - a somewhat hoarse, okayish singer; some decent, but not very impressive 'generic prog' guitar solos; use of mellotrons and synthesizers in a mostly, again, 'generic prog' vein. But that, my friends, is why one must NEVER EVER EVER judge a group or an album or a song after one listen. Because that album, my first Genesis album, Selling England by the Pound, is now my favorite progressive rock album, hands down. And not only that, but Genesis is a very, very close second to Yes as my favorite progressive rock group overall, and even then I have my doubts (not to mention that Genesis' pop peak was also higher than Yes' pop peak).




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By the way what do you think about this other review:
 
This is from George Starostin:
SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND

Year Of Release: 1973
Record rating = 10
Overall rating = 14

One of the most diverse, funny, pathetic, bombastic, mystic, and beautiful prog-rock albums ever.

Best song: DANCING WITH THE MOONLIT KNIGHT

Track listing: 1) Dancing With The Moonlight Knight; 2) I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe); 3) Firth Of Fifth; 4) More Fool Me; 5) The Battle Of Epping Forest; 6) After The Ordeal; 7) The Cinema Show; 8) Aisle Of Plenty.

Yup, either this or Genesis' only reason for existence. Truly, if this one were not my first Genesis album, I doubt that I would ever think of getting deeper into the band. Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot might have been okay, but you have to work really hard in order to appreciate even some of the material, and a lot of it I still treat as absolute filler. Not so with this truly timeless effort. For once, the band seem to have resolved all of their problems. For once, the instrumental passages are suddenly not so boring or even not boring at all - and, quite often, they are downright beautiful. For once, Steve Hackett gets quite a lot of chances to make good use of his instrument (even though he's still exploiting that silly pedal of all things). For once, Tony Banks neglects his synths to play some fresh, exciting piano. For once, Gabriel puts a little bit of everything into his lyrics - from plain, good old-fashioned humour to ultra-bombastic, but still clever lyrics. And, for the first time, Phil Collins gets to shine with a self-penned song, and it doesn't suck! Now that's what I call an album.

Okay now, if we prefer to refer to exact track names, then this is what I'd say. The album opener, 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight', is my current bet for best Genesis song ever. To my mind, the hidden potential of Gabriel's voice didn't come to light until the opening, almost accappella lines, in which majesty alternates with irony and sarcasm with lamentation. The instrumental break is superb, with the synths propelling everything to a fast, butt-kicking groove and Hackett's guitar catching up with the keyboards with gusto. And the closing section, with Mike Rutherford endlessly repeating the same acoustic four notes over and over with synth noises in the background, is simply beautiful, though it might be about thirty or forty seconds overlong. Then comes another favourite - their 'hit single' (which I put in quotes because it wasn't really a hit single, but it was the only thing close to a hit single in Gabriel's epoch) 'I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)'. It demonstrates one thing: that Gabriel has finally become able to come up with short, but still thoroughly enjoyable pop tunes. But the lyrics? 'But I remember a voice from the past/Gambling only plays when you're winning/Had to thank old Miss Mort for schooling a failure'. Groovy. I love this song, too. It has it all: complex, but catchy verses, a bombastic refrain, and, above all, Phil's ingenious drumming (just listen to those rolls all over the place). Classic!

Next? 'Firth Of Fifth', yet another fan favourite. I expected to hate it because it was so pompous and self-indulgent, with lyrics ranking among the band's most pretentious (I wasn't even a bit surprised when I learned their author was Tony Banks and not Peter), but I can't deny the melody. And the instrumental part strikes me as being one of the most intelligently written pieces of music I've ever heard among prog rock tunes. The way that the tearful flute part, the sorrowful piano part, the upbeat synth part and the lamenting guitar part all mesh with each other and participate in creating a complete 'wall of tension'... wow, and then this 'wall of tension' suddenly comes crashing down with a 'consolation' synth part. Wow, now that's really clever. I can imagine that hearing this live might result in a catharsys. Classic, too. And then, after all this bombast, we suddenly go on into a three minute acoustic folkish ditty that introduces us to the songwriting and singing talents of Mr Phil Collins. Clever guy: actually, he can write a good song and knows how to sing it, too! Some might find 'More Fool Me' a bit too saccharin-ee for their tastes, but me, I'm just alright. I do agree that he was banally ripping off the Beatles, though, because sometimes it sounds like something John Lennon might have taped around as a demo, then thrown into the wastebin. That's a compliment to Phil Collins, in case you haven't understood.

Another epic - 'The Battle Of Epping Forest' - well, it might not be a fan favourite, but I've slowly grown addicted to it. For me, this is one fine damn jolly amusing song, with Gabriel just having lots of fun in the studio as well as, once again, demonstrating the unlimited capacity of his voice. Overlong? Hell, anything that's eleven minutes long is overlong. But it rarely becomes boring, that's for sure. There's a lot of catchy hooks all over the place, melodical as well as lyrical, and the part about the 'reverend' falling into the jaws of sin is downright hilarious, even if it really has nothing to do with the 'battle of Epping Forest' by itself. Unfortunately, this is where the album slowly starts to give in, because the final two songs (the instrumental 'After The Ordeal' and another lengthy suite, 'The Cinema Show') just don't thrill me that much. Not that they're bad: were they placed on, say, Nursery Cryme, they could have become the highlights there. On here, they just sound a little weak: 'After The Ordeal' is, let's face it, hardly necessary with the far superior instrumental arrangements on 'Firth Of Fifth', while 'The Cinema Show' borrows its melody from the first parts of 'Supper's Ready' and, even with that, displays very little energy. Because Selling England is, in its essence, an energetic album - the one that keeps your blood flowing most of the time. 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight' shakes you, 'I Know What I Like' kicks you, 'Firth Of Fifth' simply moves you and 'Epping Forest' plainly confuses you. 'The Cinema Show' is more like 'Musical Box': it might thrill you, but it sure don't inspire you or rouse you. Not that everything needs to rouse you, of course, but still... but still, shucks! there's five great songs in a row, resulting in thirty-five minutes worth of great music, plus two good songs. Not to mention that the last minute and a half of 'Cinema Show' is really an independent ditty called 'Aisle Of Plenty' which is actually a reprise of the best part on 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight'. Good lads! If you dig intelligent British prog rock at all, you can't live without this record. It's great to the point of being my favourite prog rock album of the year. Which year? Why, this year, of course! What other year I'd be living in?




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