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Topic: Did the Beatles pioneer Folk Rock and Country Rock
Posted: December 22 2008 at 18:57

Pioneers of country and folk??? No.

Occasional country and folk songs?? Yes.

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Posted: November 22 2008 at 08:53

This is something I don't like about The Beatles. Well , not exactly them but all the hype they have earned. Most of it is deserved , though.

For example , today a newspaper in my country had a big article about the White Album's 40 th anniversary , they refered to it as "the album that changed the history of popular music". It was quite ankward since last year they came out with a similar article saying that Sgt Pepper changed the history of popular music.

What is it gonna be for next year? Abbey road , " the album that...."

By the way , the beatles did not pioneer folk rock in any way. What's next?: The beatles , Zeuhl pioneers??

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Posted: November 22 2008 at 03:29

^ there's a case to be made for that

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Posted: November 22 2008 at 03:27

Did the Beatles pioneer every genre of rock ever? LOL

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Posted: November 18 2008 at 10:50

I heared that actualy barouque music with composers like Bach, Albinony, Vivaldi and Corely was also invented by the beatles.

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Posted: November 17 2008 at 20:44

I don't know who invented what and I don't know if thats the question here?. I know the Beatles started out as a skiffle group and that is folk influenced. The Beatles were using folk influences as early on the album A Hard Days Night.. The Byrds openly admit to this and the use of 12 string Rickenbocker sound is why they went electric. You can obviously hear country rock on "I Don't Want to Spoil The Party" and both folk and country on "I'm the Loser.

The Beatles paved the way for the Byrds who went on to be the greatest folk rock and jangle pop act but the Beatles started the ball rolling. Dylan certainly influenced the Beatles and you can hear it as early as "I Should Have Known Better" which is one of the Beatles songs that influenced Roger McGuinn. Then Dylan went on to say the Beatles were leading the pack in music. So they all had a impact on each other.

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Posted: September 02 2008 at 16:59

In terms of Folk Rock it was the Beatles folk like chord changes that influenced Roger McGuinn to go into the Folk Rock route. So I give this one to the Beatles. Remember the Beatles started out as a skiffle group so folk music was in their roots. Bob Dylan also went electric partly because of the Beatles and "Blowin in the Wind" is just plain folk music there is no rock in it at all.

As for Country Rock the Beatles were doing it before the Birds its noticeable on tracks like 1964 " I Don't Want to Spoil The Party" and in 1965 Buck Owens cover of "Act Naturally" and "I've Just Seen a Face" all predate the Band and Byrd’s.

Elvis, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis are 50's rock and roll with a country influence. So I think that is the difference between Rockabilly and plain Country Rock. Buck Owens was plain country. I think the Beatles on tracks like "I Don't Want to Spoil the Party" and What Goes On" were a hybrid of Country, Rock and Pop music.

I'M a Loser is certainly in IMO is mixing folk and country music with a rock backbeat which actually pre-dates Dylan going electric. I wonder if Dylan was influenced by this to be honest.

So it's a yes to Folk Rock

Very debatable for Country Rock

Whatever the Beatles had a big influence on the major players like the Byrds, Dylan and Buffalo Springfield.

Edited by ANDREWM - September 02 2008 at 17:01

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Posted: August 22 2008 at 23:04

Exactly, when they were covering a Buck Owens tune they were popularizing, not pioneering. Buck did the pioneering.

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Posted: August 21 2008 at 07:39

Speaking as a Beatles fanatic, I've never heard anyone claim that they 'invented' folk-rock or country-rock. A lot of the people mentioned (Carl Perkins etc) were influences and they helped to "spread the word" if you like due to their world-wide popularity, but they didn't invent it.

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Posted: August 21 2008 at 03:17

When you think about it Bringing It All Back Home (Bob Dylan, 1965) is the first country/folk/rap rock album.

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Posted: August 04 2008 at 18:02

Coldplay2002 wrote:

Ok I find this on my research on the Byrds. The Beatles could have invented both Country and Folk Rock?

No. Country like Folk are traditional genres BEFORE the Beatles and Co. took over, for example Peter Seeger and Woody Guthrie. And of Course Bob Dylan.

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Posted: August 01 2008 at 06:05

jammun wrote:

micky wrote:

^ I haven't listened to the FBB in ages... need to do some brushing up when I get back to mothership.

couldn't agree more on Buffalo Springfield as well... they did have a strong country/folk vibe to them as well.

You won't want to miss FBB's cover of To Love Somebody

*makes mental note to remember to check that out hahhaa*

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Posted: July 31 2008 at 19:38

I always thought Bob Dylan pioneered what properly is Folk Rock with Blowin' in the Wind 1962 (Appeared in The Freewheelin (1963)), when he turned Folk into electric, if I'm not wrong, this is a year before A Hard Days Night..

Yes, Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis gave the first steps, but I believe that the one that really blended both genres in a definitive way was Dylan.

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Posted: July 31 2008 at 19:22

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I think there's some revisionist history-writing here - Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins and Elvis all predate the Beatles country/folk rock sound

oh hell yeah, the Beatles wished they were any one of those guys

I think it's safe to say they were in awe of those guys, as well as Roy Orbison. Wasn't he the opening act on one of their tours?

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Posted: July 31 2008 at 18:48

ClemofNazareth wrote:

I think there's some revisionist history-writing here - Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins and Elvis all predate the Beatles country/folk rock sound

oh hell yeah, the Beatles wished they were any one of those guys

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Posted: July 31 2008 at 18:33

Coldplay2002 wrote:

Ok I find this on my research on the Byrds. The Beatles could have invented both Country and Folk Rock?

I think there's some revisionist history-writing here - Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins and Elvis all predate the Beatles country/folk rock sound, and acts like the Mugwumps, Buddy Holly and Eddie Cochran meld country, folk and rock and predate the British invasion as well.

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Posted: July 31 2008 at 18:16

You won't want to miss FBB's cover of To Love Somebody

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Posted: July 31 2008 at 03:59

^ I haven't listened to the FBB in ages... need to do some brushing up when I get back to mothership.

couldn't agree more on Buffalo Springfield as well... they did have a strong country/folk vibe to them as well.

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Posted: July 30 2008 at 23:18

micky wrote:

always laid that on distinction on the Byrds.. in particular the memorizing album Sweethearts of the Rodeo. I know some think that album is vastly overrated... personally... I think they are full of it.

That Sweethearts is one sweet album. Which of course then led to the Flying Burrito Brothers. Buffalo Springfield also had a strong country/folk aspect to them. Yep, The Beatles covered some Buck Owens, but let's not forget that Buck his very own self was a frequent visitor to the Rock Top 40 during the time (Tiger By the Tail, My Heart Skips a Beat).

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Posted: July 30 2008 at 08:13

always laid that on distinction on the Byrds.. in particular the memorizing album Sweethearts of the Rodeo. I know some think that album is vastly overrated... personally... I think they are full of it.

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