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YesFan72
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Topic: How important are lyrics in prog? Posted: August 11 2008 at 22:43 |
I don't pay attention to lyrics most of the time, unless something odd stands out at me. It just all blends in for me. Lyrics that can be offending don't offend me. It's the music that matters.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 09 2008 at 11:05 |
Norbert wrote:
If the music is actually good only very offensive/primitive lyrics can turn me off. |
I guess you're no fan of Frank Zappa, then.
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: August 09 2008 at 07:51 |
i concur.
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Norbert
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Posted: August 09 2008 at 07:49 |
I value bands which write good lyrics beside their good music, but bad music can't be saved by nice lyrics.
If the music is actually good only very offensive/primitive lyrics can turn me off.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 09 2008 at 04:16 |
Interesting idea, this thing about not having much control over one's tastes and preferences, or at least that some of it is up to outside stimuli.
It also reminds me: I remember reading a newspaper article referencing a scientific finding that the biggest factor in people's musical preferences is their first language.... no, not as much what language we prefer lyrics in, as in that the scales and rhythms we prefer are those most common in the everyday speech patterns of our respective first languages. So there might be something to it.
However... is it possible that tastes and standards could react to outside influences both conscious and unconscious, but still follow the rules of this internally consistent set of principles? I mean, just because you sometimes are in the mood for upbeat music and sometimes in the mood for downbeat music (to pick just one set of opposite traits) does not mean that you change your mind about whether one is objectively better than the other.
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: August 08 2008 at 14:11 |
That question covers a wide gamut of possible responses. I think taste
is a fleeting entity that is in constant re-assessment as time goes on.
In other words I may be more 'sympathetic' to a point of view on one
day and more 'cynical' on another based on conscious and unconscious
reactions to everyday stimulus.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 08 2008 at 03:11 |
Dr. Occulator wrote:
Lyrics are as important as a band's fan needs them to be. If they're important to you than you pick a band that does it for you, if they're not important you still pick a band that does it for you too.
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A question: How objective or subjective do you think matters of taste are? Just curious.
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 20:55 |
Lyrics are as important as a band's fan needs them to be. If they're important to you than you pick a band that does it for you, if they're not important you still pick a band that does it for you too.
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Big Ears
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Posted: July 31 2008 at 05:59 |
I didn't think I listened to lyrics and then I remembered that I don't like Sigur Ros.
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: July 27 2008 at 06:14 |
Music is much more important than lyrics to me, so long as the lyrics aren't actually embarrassing. I love Yes even though I haven't a clue what Jon Anderson is on about most of the time.
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The Cracked Sky
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Posted: July 26 2008 at 20:06 |
I don't listen to the lyrics. I'm a HUGE prog fan, i can't think of one song that i know all the lyrics to.
BUT!
i go ape for vocal harmonies. listen to Moon Safari, you'll know what i'm talkin' about~
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OzzProg
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Posted: July 26 2008 at 17:31 |
My brain doesn't even bother picking up lyrics, even if it is A Capella, i just hear the melody.
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Posted: July 22 2008 at 22:59 |
it really varies, but in general they just have to be delivered well and not cheesy enough for the listener to be unable to look beyond them.
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Posted: July 17 2008 at 23:34 |
What ive always liked with progressive rock is that it can tell a story without words.
So no, i dont find lyrics that important. especialy not in this genre of music.
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 23:28 |
One benefit of lyrics, at least to me, is during the course of the day, someone will say something that matches a particular song phrase, causing me to remember the song itself. Not too many people are humming prog songs causing the same reaction. Seriously, I believe the music and the lyrics go hand in hand, in conveying the feeling or tone, emotion of the song. I think this particularly true with metal.
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darksideof
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 18:28 |
an Excellent none Prog band that lyrics are waht make them important is U2 bono is poet that write beautiful lyrics.
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:23 |
In my own songs I often find the lyrics and vocals sometimes hinder the music and I end up dropping them out and making an instrumental. I would say that if the song needs lyrics, then they better be well written, otherwise why are they there? try omitting them... I hear a lot of songs that are vocally driven with poor lyrics, mostly from the last decade or so. A prog band with amazing lyrics is Magellan.
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 17:11 |
Generally, I find lyrics to be an important part of the music. I can only listen to music which is all instrumental in small doses. Maybe that is a part of being a Rush fanboy, or maybe that is why I am a Rush fanboy. That being, I love all of Rush's instrumentals, but there is generally only one per album, except for the 3 on Snakes and Arrows.
It is generally the quality of lyrics that make me prefer prog over other forms of music. But also as a general rule, when listening to non-prog bands I prefer those with good lyrics over non-prog bands with poor lyrics. Neil Peart is my favorite, but other good examples would be Arjen Anthony Luccassen of Ayreon and Neal Morse with and without Spock's Beard.
Do I listen to all of the lyrics all of the time? No. Do I understand what they are singing all of the time? No. But when I can sit down with the lyrics and read along while listening, it is definitely far more enjoyable when the lyrics are good compared to when they are not.
There are exceptions to all of these thoughts however. There are certainly bands with wonderful lyrics that I don't like, and bands with horrible lyrics that I do like. This is either because I like/don't like the music to go with the lyrics, or most likely, I don't like the vocal delivery of the lyrics.
I find that most of my thoughts and answers apply because I am not a musician, but see Ghost Rider's answers above and although she is also not a musician, her answer is completely the opposite of mine. (Although since she is also a Rush junkie, I imagine that there must be at least some interest in what Neil has to say, despite what Micky has to say about it). Therefore, I guess that it just comes down to personal taste.
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Astrodomine
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 16:23 |
I don't really care for the lyrics, they add a great dimension for the concept, but English is not my first language and very often I don't take the time to understand the lyrics of a song. Even when I listen to a french (my native language) song, I don't put many attention into the lyrics.
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darksideof
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Posted: June 23 2008 at 15:51 |
I say Yes and no!
YES because growing up and becoming a prog fan as a young teenager I was interested to learn and know what he heck the bands "that i love "were talking about . I was born in the Caribbean where Spanish is the only spoken language and prog fans are hard to find, but once I came to America I was forced to learn the language and my urge to the bands lyrics urged , it took about 4 years to really getting anI dea.
No! because once I knew the language I still couldn't figure out what they were taking about ( Yes for example)an some were dumb and nonsense, ( the mars Volta, Zappa,)
also, I would say no because I still have friends back home that are huge prog fans and don't speak a word of English.
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