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Slartibartfast 
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 Topic: Igor Stravinsky - Prog? I think so!
Posted: May 11 2009 at 05:46 |
 Mr ProgFreak wrote:
The main problem that I see with classical music is that it isn't published in the form of albums. For example, if we added Stravinsky then there wouldn't be a studio album entry for Rite of Spring ... instead we would have to select one of the various recordings of live performances of the piece.
Apart from that, I think it would make a lot of sense to compile a list of classical influences and list them somewhere ... probably outside of the database, without the possibility to rate them.
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You know that's rather interesting when you think about it. The recorded album is rather recent invention in the history of music...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 05:37 |
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The main problem that I see with classical music is that it isn't published in the form of albums. For example, if we added Stravinsky then there wouldn't be a studio album entry for Rite of Spring ... instead we would have to select one of the various recordings of live performances of the piece.
Apart from that, I think it would make a lot of sense to compile a list of classical influences and list them somewhere ... probably outside of the database, without the possibility to rate them.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 05:08 |
Ah, prog classical. Let's not leave out Holst and Debussy. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 11 2009 at 05:47
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 19:38 |
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Rite Of Spring is very progressive and has provided with me some of the best musical journey's I've ever had
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Posted: May 07 2009 at 13:58 |
Hi,
SWEETTTTTT ....
I keep posting and talking about things like this and how they show "progression" in music history ... and Stravinsky is really fine ... really fine.
Also very nice, if you get the chance ... grab Tomita's version ... it is amazingly good adn well done ... and it captures the trippy side a wee bit better for my ears.
Thanks so much ... this is appreciated and then some ...
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Posted: May 07 2009 at 09:35 |
topofsm wrote:
It's proto-proto-prog. |
Iván
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The Pessimist
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Posted: May 07 2009 at 07:31 |
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I thought this thread died a long time ago...
as for the Bach thing, I cannot name a single genre of modern music that he didn't influence. I mean, come on. He invented major and minor keys, all the cadences, blah blah blah... Before him all composers were just using modes and nothing but.
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topofsm
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Posted: May 07 2009 at 00:29 |
It's proto-proto-prog.
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The T
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 22:47 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Why do we stop here?
Why not Bach, he's a huge influence for early Prog bands
Or Mussorgsky, Night in the Bald Mountain must be one of the musical pieces re-interpreted more by Prog bands like Aether, Fireballet, Par Lindh Project, and maybe more i can't remember now, not counting Pictures at an Exhibition recreated almost fully by ELP and Mekong Delta.
Or Copland, Fanfare for the Common man was re-created by STYX and 5 years later by ELP.
Or Peer Gynt, you can listen it everywhere, from Beggars Opera Act One to Rick Wakeman's Journey to the Centre of the Earth.
Please, we are talking about Progressive Rock, Classical artists have their own sites and charts, most of this guys are 100 years older than Prog.
Would be absurd to add them.
Iván
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This is true.
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:12 |
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I would have to agree, you can hear a lot of Stravinsky in Frank Zappa... who obviously had a huge influence on the direction of prog rock. I think it would be interesting if Stravinsky's work was to be placed in the prog-related section. |
Why do we stop here?
Why not Bach, he's a huge influence for early Prog bands
Or Mussorgsky, Night in the Bald Mountain must be one of the musical pieces re-interpreted more by Prog bands like Aether, Fireballet, Par Lindh Project, and maybe more i can't remember now, not counting Pictures at an Exhibition recreated almost fully by ELP and Mekong Delta.
Or Copland, Fanfare for the Common man was re-created by STYX and 5 years later by ELP.
Or Peer Gynt, you can listen it everywhere, from Beggars Opera Act One to Rick Wakeman's Journey to the Centre of the Earth.
Please, we are talking about Progressive Rock, Classical artists have their own sites and charts, most of this guys are 100 years older than Prog.
Would be absurd to add them.
Iván
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cmbs
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 18:42 |
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I would have to agree, you can hear a lot of Stravinsky in Frank Zappa... who obviously had a huge influence on the direction of prog rock. I think it would be interesting if Stravinsky's work was to be placed in the prog-related section.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: October 28 2008 at 12:37 |
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kibble_alex wrote:
The site would quite literally be rammed packed and start getting utterly ridiculous.
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Isn't it already? 
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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Philéas
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Posted: October 24 2008 at 15:30 |
kibble_alex wrote:
The site would quite literally be rammed packed and start getting utterly ridiculous.
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Isn't it already?
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The T
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Posted: October 22 2008 at 23:29 |
Philéas wrote:
Let's just keep full-on western art music off this site.. to keep things simple |
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Posted: October 22 2008 at 19:59 |
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and the other that really should be here.... Stockhausen...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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The Pessimist
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Posted: October 22 2008 at 19:56 |
Either that, or Opusographies No, seriously, opi are very similar to albums, some longer than albums and some shorter. It doesn't really matter, because we're not actually reviewing the EPs/LPs, but the content within, and both opi and albums have musical content that is up for review. I think drawing the line at Pre-Modernism would be a good idea though. The site would quite literally be rammed packed and start getting utterly ridiculous. However, if Miles Davis is on the lists now, then so should Stravinsky. They both helped develop two sides of prog, Miles Davis for jazz and Stravinsky for the classical side.
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2008 at 19:21 |
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one option..which I mentioned.. is to not handle it like a standard artist addition... this is a reviews driven site... don't see many reviews... it would be more for educational purposes... more for the info... and streaming samples for those who really don't know the artists... discographies would be.. .daunting....
Edited by micky - October 22 2008 at 19:22
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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topofsm
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Posted: October 22 2008 at 19:16 |
I think it would be hard to put in a discography, though I think there are some Gershwin and Stravinsky recordings if I'm correct because they were around in an era where there were records.
How we're going to get around putting in a Bach or Beethoven discography is going to be a tough fish to fry.
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Posted: October 22 2008 at 17:03 |
Wait... Yes! I can see it now. Would it look something like this?
Symphonic Prog Classical: Rachmaninoff, Hindemith, Ravel, Falla
Extreme Symphonic Prog Classical: Mahler, Stravinsky, Debussy, Faure
CIO (Classical In Opposition): Schoenberg, Webern, Berg
Experimental Prog Classical: Cage, Varese, Reich
Minimalist Prog Classical: Glass, Riley, Young, Adams
I am being facetious of course. 
Edited by jimidom - October 22 2008 at 17:04
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Posted: October 22 2008 at 16:58 |
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Let's just keep full-on western art music off this site.. to keep things simple
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