![]() |
|
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Author | ||
Peter ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
![]() Posted: May 21 2008 at 19:55 |
|
![]() No offense, please, but I don't quite understand the depth of bitterness and negativity being voiced toward the idea by many here. (Other than the fact that -- as I've long observed here -- many prog fans are rather fanatical, and almost obsessive toward "their" music, elevating it far above "mere" rock or pop, into something almost sacred or classical. In that sense, many progholes can be similar to some snooty jazz or classical fans and "purists.")
Here's my thinking on the matter:
1. We'll always have the original Argus -- no new recording is going to affect my copy of that classic, fantastic album.
2. Other rock classics & popular albums have been re-worked before, and never, as far as I could tell, to the detriment or 'overshadowing' of the originals. examples that come to mind are Tubular Bells (orchestral), Jesus Christ Superstar and Tommy (movie soundtrack versions), The Wall, etc. Sometimes the results are interesting, though mostly, they fail to achieve the impact of the originals.
3. Argus has near-mythic status in classic rock/prog circles (in a somewhat "cultish" fashion). Most longterm fans will ignore the new version, and are free to do so, but a few more open-minded types (like me) will want to check it out, just out of curiosity, to see how different musicians, and newer technology, impact upon the music.
4. The "kids" who don't know WA or the original album won't suddenly "latch on" to this new version by a bunch of aging rockers they've never heard of. Why would they? Does anyone really imagine it's suddenly going to swamp the commercial airwaves -- or that today's kids pay much attention to radio in the first place? Do you really think "new" fans of the new album will descend on us here, unaware of the original, or arrogantly announcing the new one to be superior?
So, what are you all so worried about? Haven't Beatles songs been covered by nearly everyone, but aren't the originals still, by far, the best and best known? Doesn't classical music get re-recorded and re-interpreted, with different 'bands' (orchestras and ensembles) again and again? Don't bands put out live versions of popular, often much older, material? What's the big difference, or "danger' here? Why so much concern? No one's going to come into your house, take your old, original Argus away from you and substitute the new one, or force you to even LISTEN to (let alone buy) the new one!
It could be interesting. Would you not want to see the new band perform the old material in a club? What's the big deal with recording it?
![]() Edited by Peter - May 21 2008 at 21:13 |
||
"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
||
![]() |
||
harmony ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: January 13 2007 Status: Offline Points: 11 |
![]() |
|
Very bad idea. Cannot improve on perfection. For the record, Nouveau Calls was a instrumental album and Here To Hear was not. Nouveau Calls was a huge disappointment for me. I was hoping for The Pilgrim, FUBB etc. and instead I got TV theme music. |
||
![]() |
||
Raimondo ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 25 2008 Location: Norfolk, U.K. Status: Offline Points: 13 |
![]() |
|
It's just so rare that re-visits are improvements on the originals. Occasionally this happens in film where new technology helps get the point accross but to actually re-record Argus would be folly.
|
||
![]() |
||
cedo ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 18 2006 Location: Yugoslavia Status: Offline Points: 22 |
![]() |
|
Addition to myself:
And of course, group name "shoulda, woulda, coulda" be Wishbone Mash.
Edited by cedo - May 21 2008 at 07:31 |
||
![]() |
||
HailVibrania ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: October 30 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 10 |
![]() |
|
To my mind an absolute idiot,i loved the original Wishbone Ash but I am afraid that he is just hoping to make a few quid out of gullible fans,I will just keep on playing the original as I am about to do NOW
|
||
![]() |
||
cedo ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 18 2006 Location: Yugoslavia Status: Offline Points: 22 |
![]() |
|
What would Mike Oldfield say? Martin & Mike could join efforts in recording of "Return to the Tubular Bells of Argus in the Centre of the Earth", with a little help from Rick Wakeman on keyboards. |
||
![]() |
||
Raimondo ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 25 2008 Location: Norfolk, U.K. Status: Offline Points: 13 |
![]() |
|
Simple message - please don't do it. Why re-invent the wheel? Original concept un-improvable.
|
||
![]() |
||
Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20402 |
![]() |
|
effectively I wonder what Wetton will do. G=he can double up on vocals, but I doubt Turner will leave him bass spot.
Soory for Trow Down The Sword(I stand corrected)
As for the two instrumental album of the late 80's, I fully agree with James (Salmacis)...... they're best forgotten....
|
||
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
||
![]() |
||
salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
![]() |
|
I say leave them up there!
![]() ![]() Edited by salmacis - January 01 2009 at 12:24 |
||
![]() |
||
Marc M ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August 23 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6 |
![]() |
|
Hi,
I don't see this as a very good idea either. The album "Argus" was prefect as it was.
Martin Turner had done a good job remastering it (although the intro to "Time was" was maybe really too loud compared to the rest, he missed the contrast there).
I wonder what John Wetton will do ? He replaced Turner as bassit and jnot even singer. Maybe now he'll help him sing some parts.. I think it's needed, without Ted Turner and Andy Powell to sing the harmonies
John Tout played organ on Throw Down The Sword, not Blowin' Free.
I remember that Andy played a very nice guitar solo at the end of "Ashes Are Burning" from Renaissance, in 73, to thank them.
Marc
|
||
A Spirit with a Vision is a Dream With A Mission (Neil Peart - 1987)
|
||
![]() |
||
Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
![]() |
|
Get them down and play them! Nouveau Calls and Here to Hear are actually excellent! |
||
A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
|
||
![]() |
||
Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20402 |
![]() |
|
Just thought I re-specify that Downes will not add more KBs than there was on the original album. He'll only the Tout interventions on the one track.
BTW, I read this on the latest Classy Crock (the first issue I bought since fall last year. Edited by Sean Trane - May 20 2008 at 04:48 |
||
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
||
![]() |
||
debrewguy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
![]() |
|
As a caveat, I just remembered Eddie Rayner remake of some Split Enz' classics on Enz So. While I didn't agree with his assessment that in most cases the songs came out better than the originals, it was a work worthy of the Finn Bros fan's attention.
Who knows, maybe the project comes together and renews interest in Argus. Of course, if it just becomes a note for note, same arrangements and all job, then why bother. |
||
"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
|
||
![]() |
||
micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
![]() |
|
![]() |
||
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
|
||
![]() |
||
Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
![]() |
|
But I do remember WA signed to Miles Copeland's IRS label in the 80's , doing instrumentals aimed at the new age market..... I admit I may even have a copy securely hidden in my loft....
|
||
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
||
![]() |
||
salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
![]() |
|
Wetton was there for at least one album, 'Number The Brave'; that was around the same time that Claire Hamill was in the band!
Edited by salmacis - January 01 2009 at 12:23 |
||
![]() |
||
Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
![]() |
|
I must have blinked, Wetton wasn't in WA in their heyday, was he?
Daft idea - WA were the epitome of the rock band that sounded prog, causing us long debate as to whether a real prog band had to have keyboards. With Argus and Pilgrimage the concensus was that keyboard weren't essential. Can't see what will be improved - and further can the enthusiasm that would have been there for the original recordings, still be there having done those number 100's if not 1000's of times live?
Smacks of trying to fix something that ain't broken.
|
||
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
||
![]() |
||
Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
![]() |
|
You cannot improve on perfection. Argus is perfect, therefore this idea is doomed to fail since it won't improve on the original.
Would Doug Ferguson ever rerecord The Snow Goose? No - it would be heresy. So Martin should go and record some new material of the same standard as Argus. |
||
A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
|
||
![]() |
||
salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
![]() |
|
I heard about this some time ago.
I heard about a three-pronged tour with Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash, The Groundhogs and Focus which I'll still go and see though as it's playing in a nearby venue. Edited by salmacis - January 01 2009 at 12:24 |
||
![]() |
||
chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20032 |
![]() |
|
I'm planning to re-record "Close To The Edge" on a kazoo and Stylophone.
|
||
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |