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Cygnus 
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Posted: July 18 2005 at 08:22 |
MUSIC FROM THE MIND TO THE HEART
MUSIC THAT DIFINES A UNIQUE SOUND
MUSIC THAT STUNS NOT ONLY BY THE COMPLEX STRUCTURES BUT WITH INTELIGENT SONGWRITING AS WELL.
MUSIC THAT SHOWS THAT THE PLAYERS ARE NOT JUST TOURISTS WITH THEIR INSTRUMENTS
MUSIC WITH LYRICS THAT DESCRIBE THEMES FROM LOVE TO SOCIAL SITUATIONS
MUSIC THAT SENDS ME AWAY WHEN I LISTEN TO
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 09:31 |
Funny, I was gonna post something similar after a young monitor engineer (who was into Radiohead/Nicleback/Moby/Primus etc etc) said he had no idea what prog was. That led to some soul-searching and we tried a list, but as always many eminent exceptions can be found for all of these. Some are positive, some are negative - I feel the term pomp-rock is extremely useful to separate that element of prog which is no longer "progressive" but relies on the sonic shorthands inherited from its earlier, leaner forebears. Still, here goes:-
- Music you have to put an amount of effort into appreciating
- Use of exotic instrumentation and effects
- Moving rock music structures beyond the 3 minute song
- Use of extended instrumental passages
- Exploration of sound production from the instrument (esp the electric guitar)
- Lyrics which explore themes outside the standard love-dance canon
- A freedom to incorporate musical styles which are, at first glance, distant from the blues/rock 'n roll mainstream (classical/jazz/Indian/African/Avant-garde)
- Prominent use of electronic instruments
- A tendency to feature virtuosity for it's own sake
- Music which takes itself (too) seriously
- Music which used the medium of studio/LP to create its first masterpieces
- Complex harmonic sequences
- Complex time signatures
- Songs which may journey between several textures and moods
- Reference to sci-fi/fantasy/myth in lyrical content
- Concept albums
- Use of theatrical elements, sets & scenery, advanced lighting technology and moving image as part of its live presentation.
- A heritage which grew from the psychadelic musical experimentalism of the 60's
- White, middle-class music (enjoyed in the main by males)
- Music which moves the brain as well as the heart
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 09:14 |
 Joren wrote:
Xanadu wrote:
Hmm GYBE and Änglagård aren´t total crap but i must say, atleast i think though i weren´t around, the spirit of the 70s is long gone and will never rise again... |
I think you shouldn't just compare GYBE! to bands from the seventies. There may be a different spirit, but GYBE! are very experimental.
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I didnt compare them, I just said they make good music...because they do.
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 07:11 |
sorcerer wrote:
anything that had a Roger Dean cover |
Anithing that doesn't have a beach on the cover, with three men posing in front of it...
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 06:56 |
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You bugger - you got in there before I could  ; nice to know KE9's back with his usual objective, open minded views 
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 04:35 |
Xanadu wrote:
Hmm GYBE and Änglagård aren´t total crap but i must say, atleast i think though i weren´t around, the spirit of the 70s is long gone and will never rise again... |
I think you shouldn't just compare GYBE! to bands from the seventies. There may be a different spirit, but GYBE! are very experimental.
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 02:43 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
No one reads threads on here it's a know fact,
Actually, some of us do - don't be so harsh on your fellow forum members, as there are plenty of intelligent people here who read and reply thoughtfully. 
they just go in bull nosed with their little bit.
Pot, kettle, black... 
I listern to all those bands you mentioned,but saying all that if i see a post with anything modern in it to it, cos they are total crap in my view.
What a very limited view - I'm glad I'm not you.
As i mentioned in a previous thread obviously not read by anyone,prog sucks after the late '70's.
More likely that post was ignored by everyone for the childish crap it is: Prog does NOT suck after the late 1970s - that is a generalism which is untrue, and I for one am sick of reading this kind of stuff time after time - from you especially. As an oldie you should know better.
We all know you hate anything after 1974 - and it's reasonable to hold any opinion - but all you ever do is sl*g it off - you do not (and cannot, from what I have seen) provide thoughtful reasoning behind your words. In fact, you seem to be more prone to go in bull-nosed with your little bit and not consider the impact of what you are saying on the community as a whole.
I don't believe I've just said anything untrue or unfair - if I have, feel free to correct me.
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:08 |
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Hmm GYBE and Änglagård aren´t total crap but i must say, atleast i think though i weren´t around, the spirit of the 70s is long gone and will never rise again...
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 12:46 |
Xanadu wrote:
Zero the hero wrote:
Um
Seems the first thing you ought to do is listern to some progressive rock! SX Dream theatre
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Did you actually read my text? And what exactly do you mean by "progressive rock"? If you by any chance mean bands like Kc, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes, VDGG, ELP, Gentle Giant and so on, then I have already done that. So...Did you actually read my text? Just curuios...
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No one reads threads on here it's a know fact,they just go in bull nosed with their little bit.I listern to all those bands you mentioned,but saying all that if i see a post with anything modern in it to it, cos they are total crap in my view.As i mentioned in a previous thread obviously not read by anyone,prog sucks after the late '70's.
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 11:45 |
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anything that had a Roger Dean cover
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 11:39 |
The progressive music on this site covers the whole spectrum - from very near Classical to very very metal.....
So what is progressive music ???
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Xanadu
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 09:10 |
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I understand completly what you mean, and I agree with most of what you´re sayin. My point with this thread seems to be proven, the defintion of progressive (though it is irrelevant) is vauge.
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"Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?"
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Keke
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 08:43 |
No, it's the way it sounds, but... can you describe it? It's easy to describe black metal saying ''Growling and barking and heavy guitars...'' it's easy to describe 60's psychedelic pop saying ''Trippy and happy ballads...''
But the differences between even the most iconic bands are SO great that not even sub-genres like Krautrock, Fusion, Space, Art, RIO and all of those can't describe it.
Just look at the differences between ELP, Pink Floyd, King Crimson and Rush. Someone not interested in rock couldn't put them all in the same genre, yet there is something he could say, and that's ''They have a strange sound.''
And I guess that very, VERY, VERY, VERY roughly, that's what prog's about, having a new and strange sound.
I don't care how the music is made, it's the outcome that matters...
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Xanadu
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 08:34 |
Keke wrote:
Progressive is just another word for ''Innovative''... it's not a music genre, although it is much easier to explain it to someone using the word as a genre, but in fact, it's just music that tries to make the best out of the instruments given, something that EXPLOITS rock, metal, jazz and folk to its fullest, trying to achieve a new sound.
What we listen to is not prog... it's rock, metal, it's jazz... exploited to its fullest.
Prog can't be described... it can only be heard.
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All thought i said it, I can agree with you when you say ..."it´s not a music genre". It´s to complex for that. But when you say so...do you mean it isn´t the way it (the music) sounds, it is rather the way it is made?
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"Oh, yes, sitting-the great leveler. From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?"
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Keke
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 07:14 |
Progressive is just another word for ''Innovative''... it's not a music genre, although it is much easier to explain it to someone using the word as a genre, but in fact, it's just music that tries to make the best out of the instruments given, something that EXPLOITS rock, metal, jazz and folk to its fullest, trying to achieve a new sound.
What we listen to is not prog... it's rock, metal, it's jazz... exploited to its fullest.
Prog can't be described... it can only be heard.
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 06:35 |
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They were until they split - the only remaining member now records under the name 'monopod'; a fine upstanding citizen, if a little unstable occasionally.
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Xanadu
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 06:07 |
Or are they...?
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Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:35 |
Tripod?
They're not prog... 
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Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:15 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Radiohead.
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Posted: March 28 2005 at 15:11 |
Radiohead.
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