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Topic: Miles Davis proto-prog Posted: August 13 2008 at 22:29 |
Logan wrote:
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i know why he hasnt been included in the past. Ive tried to get him in here but did not have enough support before. Now it seems the vast majority agree he should be here and he should
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And he will be.
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this is true every time i come on this site i search his name to see if he's here. it feels like it's taking forever haha
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 22:23 |
darkshade wrote:
i know why he hasnt been included in the past. Ive tried to get him in here but did not have enough support before. Now it seems the vast majority agree he should be here and he should
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And he will be.
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 22:20 |
i know why he hasnt been included in the past. Ive tried to get him in here but did not have enough support before. Now it seems the vast majority agree he should be here and he should
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:48 |
progaeopteryx wrote:
Miles Davis has my vote. I'm surprised he's not already listed here.
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 14:17 |
Hmmm.... I myself do find it a bit strange that the likes of Ambrosia and Talk Talk have somehow been found to be progressive enough to be included on this site despite the whole of their catalogs being light on progressive music save an album or two, and yet Miles Davis, one of the great musical innovators of all-time, has not. I'm not saying that the former two do not belong, but it is curious that the man, who was at the vanguard of just about every jazz movement from the birth of the cool onward and including jazz rock/fusion, a Prog Archives sub-genre, has been found to not be relevant enough for inclusion thus far. So it appears that Bitches Brew, In a Silent Way, Jack Johnson, On the Corner, and Dark Magus just aren't as progressive as Ambrosia's debut album or Spirit of Eden by Talk Talk.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 18:02 |
lol im confused i do forget to use the emoticons sometimes..
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 17:54 |
*spills diet coke in lap* hahhahahhaa stop it man.. hahahha.. you're killing me
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 17:52 |
That's the first time I've been serious in months.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 17:49 |
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 17:40 |
^ Good. I rather misunderstand, and get misunderstood once in a while, than start using emoticons.
I am being serious.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 16:26 |
Rocktopus wrote:
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idk, there's a lot of the jazz-fusion on this site i have trouble calling "prog", should we take those bands and artists off the site?
what does prog mean anyway (wait, wrong thread)
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Oh, come on. Read first, will you? The discussion is not about that. No, we shouldn't take them off the site, and I never said we should.
And I welcome Miles and his whole discography with open arms, even without pretending that he made progalbums for half his career.
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i was being sarcastic
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 16:20 |
darkshade wrote:
idk, there's a lot of the jazz-fusion on this site i have trouble calling "prog", should we take those bands and artists off the site?
what does prog mean anyway (wait, wrong thread)
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Oh, come on. Read first, will you? The discussion is not about that. No, we shouldn't take them off the site, and I never said we should. And I welcome Miles and his whole discography with open arms, even without pretending that he made progalbums for half his career.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 14:26 |
idk, there's a lot of the jazz-fusion on this site i have trouble calling "prog", should we take those bands and artists off the site?
what does prog mean anyway (wait, wrong thread)
the facts keep getting thrown around and everything that can be said for why Miles Davis should be on this site has been said already in this thread and others. at this point, I'm waiting to see Miles under "jazz-rock/fusion"...
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 08:35 |
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 08:30 |
^ Cheesecakemouse seemed to think he was. That's who I'm replying to. Anyway, now this is just a discussion about Miles and his music, prog, fusion and things like that. No one has been arguing against any of your dead horse points for a while. Atleast not cheese or I.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 08:04 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
I meant Jazz fusion
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Sorry for all this nitpicking, but I do think its absurd to say that Miles Davis was prog half his career.
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almost as absurd as anyone thinking he WAS ... the point I tried to make earlier is including him here is NOT the same as saying he was a prog artist.... again I ask... just what the hell does that mean anyway.. being a 'prog artist'... oh yes... an artist who ONLY did prog albums... hahahha.. yeah.... let's eliminate fully 80% of the database. Again.. because I love beating the dead horse... this is a prog site.. not allmusic.com... this is a not a career retrospective site.. the prog music he did WAS J-R fusion.. thus that is where he should be added.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 07:59 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
I meant Jazz fusion
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Ok. Is it a kind of jazzfusion related to the jazzrockfusion of this site's
concern? Would Miles be discussed/added here if we only knew of his
releases 81-91 (he temporary retired from music from the mid-seventies
up to ca. 1980/81)?
Sorry for all this nitpicking, but I do think its absurd to say that Miles Davis was prog half his career.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 07:21 |
Rocktopus wrote:
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His eighties to ninties stuff is also fusion, I have his documentary on DVD and it is defined as jazz fusion. So IMO, mid 60s to 91 was jazz fusion/prog, and IMO the post bopstuff was proto- fusion, even if you don't consider the post bop stuff, over half his carer was prog, 1948-mid 60s jazz (about 15 years including post bop), mid 60s - 91 prog (25 years) |
I see what you mean, but I actually wouldn't say that a single album Miles ever recorded was prog. And I wouldn't directly translate anything called fusion = prog. Fusion is just a mix of two of more styles.
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I meant Jazz fusion
Edited by Cheesecakemouse - August 07 2008 at 07:26
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 06:46 |
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 06:12 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
His eighties to ninties stuff is also fusion, I have his documentary on DVD and it is defined as fusion. So IMO, mid 60s to 91 was fusion/prog, and IMO the post bopstuff was proto- fusion, even if you don't consider the post bop stuff, over half his carer was prog, 1948-mid 60s jazz (about 15 years including post bop), mid 60s - 91 prog (25 years) |
I see what you mean, but I actually wouldn't say that a single album Miles ever recorded was prog. And I wouldn't directly translate anything called fusion = prog. Fusion is just a mix of two of more styles.
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