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cuncuna 
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Posted: January 08 2008 at 22:35 |
 The T wrote:
Well, I'm not so arrogant to pretend to know if someone exists or not.... let's just say that maybe, maybe not... So: If HE/SHE exists, probably we depend a little on Him... I men, at least to some degree! What kind of God would have nothing to do with His atrocious creation? .... again, who am I to know... If He doesn't exist, well, we'll all on are own... Oh man and we're f**ked.... |
I would very much prefer a female higher being nevertheless.
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cuncuna
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Posted: January 08 2008 at 22:33 |
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Well, many many years ago, I was in serious problems, since I was very far from home with no money in a complicated hour of the night. I remember myself thinking "¿A little help?". A soft wind passed by my side, throwing some dust and leafs around. At least it solved the mistery...
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The T
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Posted: January 03 2008 at 14:27 |
Well, I'm not so arrogant to pretend to know if someone exists or not.... let's just say that maybe, maybe not...
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If HE/SHE exists, probably we depend a little on Him... I men, at least to some degree! What kind of God would have nothing to do with His atrocious creation? .... again, who am I to know...
If He doesn't exist, well, we'll all on are own... Oh man and we're f**ked....
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BaldFriede
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Posted: January 03 2008 at 13:35 |
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None of these categories fit into my personal view of a deity. We are all parts of the deity; every human being, every animal, every plant, every stone, every atom, every elementary particle are part of it. So I would have to say: There is no difference, since if I depend solely on myself I depend on the deity still.
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: January 03 2008 at 12:51 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
ita_prog_fan wrote:
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How can I depend on someone who doesn't exist !!!
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Yes. How can you depend on yourself when in the first place you don't exist? Just kidding.  |
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That's what I call a mistery !!!
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: January 02 2008 at 19:46 |
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Depend on God? well yeah, i do depend a bit on John Petrucci for Guitar influence, but otherwise, i can cope with my own abilities.
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JayDee
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 22:56 |
ita_prog_fan wrote:
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How can I depend on someone who doesn't exist !!!
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Yes. How can you depend on yourself when in the first place you don't exist? Just kidding.
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 05:51 |
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How can I depend on someone who doesn't exist !!!
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bhikkhu
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Posted: December 23 2007 at 09:21 |
SoundsofSeasons wrote:
Hamfari wrote:
you all are God in disguise silly humans |
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Lol, the first outspoken Cosmic- Humanist i've seen on Prog Archives.  . Not that I support that though... just pointing it out. |
That sounds pretty reasonable to me. We are also all Buddhas.
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Posted: December 23 2007 at 07:31 |
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SoundsofSeasons
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Posted: December 20 2007 at 16:10 |
Hamfari wrote:
you all are God in disguise silly humans |
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Lol, the first outspoken Cosmic- Humanist i've seen on Prog Archives. . Not that I support that though... just pointing it out.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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Okocha
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Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:25 |
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I am on my own...
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 15 2007 at 16:21 |
from the poll: I depend on God as much as on my own abilities
in other words
Help Yourself and God will help you
Thi atheist never liked the concept of a god (and especially the need to adore it), but this maxim makes sense. Helping yourself will make ypu believe in yourself, therefore it will be easier to help yourself. If you want to call it god's help, that's your problem.... 
nobody ever said those maxims were wrong, they were just adapted from one religion to another
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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MonkeyphoneAlex
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 08:29 |
Being an atheist, I'll go with the third option. 
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"Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST."
-FZ
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bhikkhu
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Posted: December 11 2007 at 20:38 |
Empathy wrote:
Mu!
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That is the best argument I have seen so far. 
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Shakespeare
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Posted: December 11 2007 at 19:27 |
Zwerg Bart wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
Yeah, I agree. I believe God requires us to put forth our best efforts and do what we can before he steps in to help us out or do something for us. That's why he gave us brains, arms, legs, abilities, talents, etc- so we can use them.
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Not to get all Nietzsche on you, but I never understood that argument... Isn't that just you doing something and giving God credit for it?
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Well....it's giving what God gave you credit. So yes and no. I'm happy I could clear that up. 
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Passionist
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Posted: December 11 2007 at 19:26 |
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Makes it easier to fake humbleness though, doesn't it ;)
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Zwerg Bart
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Posted: December 11 2007 at 19:24 |
Arsillus wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I studied in a catholic school, and our football (soccer) coach was a priest.
Once a guy in the team asked the coach: "If we pray will God make us win?"
The coach/priest answered "Yes, he will help us but only if we train hard and play better than the other team"
That is my position, trust in God but also make an effort by yourself.
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Yeah, I agree. I believe God requires us to put forth our best efforts and do what we can before he steps in to help us out or do something for us. That's why he gave us brains, arms, legs, abilities, talents, etc- so we can use them.
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Not to get all Nietzsche on you, but I never understood that argument... Isn't that just you doing something and giving God credit for it?
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"Freud's cranium is a snail!" - Dali
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Empathy
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Posted: December 07 2007 at 23:46 |
Hamfari wrote:
you all are God in disguise silly humans |
Mu! (Humans ARE pretty silly... but what isn't, when you really think about it?)
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Pure Brilliance:
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King Crimson776
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Posted: December 07 2007 at 23:27 |
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Neal Morse... your abilities are more than enough, God is draining your mind of it's epicness! It's Not Too Late to change your mind!!!
3rd option.
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