ELO, 10CC and Supertramp |
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moshkito
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Topic: ELO, 10CC and Supertramp Posted: January 16 2009 at 15:17 |
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Hi,
They all have their place, and made their own history ... and there are things they did ... that we still see today!
Of these, ELO maybe considered the one that went the furthest and that would be because Jeff Lynne was a neighbor and close friend to George Harrison, and eventually put together the Travelling Willburys ... which might not have happened if there was not someone like Jeff to pull together things and organize them. Even Tom Petty comments on it in the movie (worth seeing btw)
Sadly, there is one thing that is sadly forgotten. I always thought that some of the humor and fun in ELO was brought in by Roy Wood ... and he has been hung out to dry ... and one listen to his albums shows more impressive experimentation and variety of things than many other musicians out there.
10CC ... is one of my favorites ... unffortunately the "moving picture music" that their songs and lyrics helped create for your imagination died one day ... and no one could do anything about it anymore ... maybe they got tired of little home movies, as it were. But I still have the first 5 albums and I can sit through them any time and still enjoy them ... after that ... the enjoyment goes out ...
If anything hurt this band more, it was that Creme and Godley were very good together and what they were doing in solo albums (they had several together) was magnificently (progressive and off the wall too!!!) nice, but not designed for a "pop song" as 10CC was. And it became evident when Godley ended up writing and directing several videos for The Police ...
You have to remember that these same guys were almost single handedly responsible for dressing up Neil Sedaka and right after they were also responsible for undressing us with some kind of neanderthal love! The kind of thing that most fans can not ... understand ... we want pop songs after all, or some prog bullship! But music? ... and humor on top of it? Goodness gracious ... how dare you?
Supertramp ... It was in Santa Barbara and I just came home from work and my roomate has tears in his eyes. He had just brought home "Crime of the Century" amidst a couple of other things ... and he had just finished playing the album ... he was just in tears .. and was kinda moved that someone could write something like this and be ... relevant and important. When he went on the air that night he played both sides back to back ... and that was the number one FM station in Santa Barbara at the time ... and within days the whole station was playing it and within months ... everyone knew about this band. Same thing happened with the Average White Band. And Camel ... endless history here.
They were very good as long as they were sticking to themselves. One day ... one of them or another got into of those "opiate for the rich" things ... and the band died. It was sad for me. I happened to like the first 3 albums immensely, for their freshness and approach.
Imagine this stuff being played on the air in 1973 ... in those days FM radio was slightly new and it was known for "long cuts" and far-out music that represented the natural progression from the "pop" orientation of the hippie days, and the desire for many of those musicians to "grow" and take things into a new era and generation ... and it worked for a while ... and I'm not sure that Led Zeppelin (for example) would have made it so nicely if it weren't for FM radio, since many of their cuts were longer and AM radio was not gonna touch anything over 3 minutes ... see the difference? Goota play all those commercials ... gotta pull in t money ... it's never the music that matters ... and few stations EVER ... made time and space for "something else" out there.
All three of those bands lost their focus ... as they got bigger. In a way 10CC did get bigger, but into being the artists that they were ... you were not going to keep Creme and Godley writing pop songs all the time ... specially when they decided (finally) to get visual ... and forget the money and royalties they were not gaining/getting that they should have been getting ... the internet came up 10 years later ... and in a way one of these guys even invented the GIZMO, which became eventually know as a guitar synthesizer later on ... in this case we were dealing with highly intelligent folks that were doing much more than just pop musik.
Thx
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: December 27 2008 at 04:33 | ||
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54272
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Mandrakeroot
Forum Senior Member Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: December 23 2008 at 07:32 | ||
Uhm... The side of Prog POP is sure to deepen. Also because I returned to listen Prog POP and I rediscovered great music. Even in a group like Alan Parsons Project/ band I rediscovered big music!
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J-Man
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: December 21 2008 at 17:02 | ||
1. ELO
2. Supertramp 3. 10CC Love the first two, 10CC's okay though... |
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progrules
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
Posted: December 21 2008 at 12:00 | ||
10CC made one great (I'm Mandy fly me) and one good (Wallstreet shuffle) song at least where their hits are concerned. I also like several songs on their magnum opus: How Dare you ?
ELO's best song is Overture, followed by Evil Woman and Sweet talkin woman.
Supertramp made a few beauties like Fool's Overture, Crime of the Century and Goodbye Stranger..
Of all three I'm afraid I will have to say: the rest is dispensable. But that's only an opinion.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: December 21 2008 at 10:48 | ||
ELO and Supertramp are fantastic.
Never heard 10CC. |
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micky
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Posted: December 21 2008 at 09:07 | ||
check out Brother where are you bound from Supertramp... you'll love it... I did at least.. have a sample and ELO... you should get the first 3 next . all very different.. yet all 3 completely prog.. GREAT stuff. have a sample... my favorite ELO track... from the 2nd album.. yet the 3rd as a whole is my favorite.. was mentioned earlier in the thread |
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SgtPepper67
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Posted: December 21 2008 at 07:34 | ||
I love Supertramp, at least their albums from Crime of the century to Breakfast in America, I haven't heard the rest yet. They're one of my favourite prog bands.
I have only two albums by ELO, Eldorado and A New World Record. I like them but I didn't really got into them yet. I love the first 3 or 4 songs on A New World Record but the I usually lose interest after those ones when I listen to it. The few times I tried to listen to Eldorado it couldn't hold my attention. But I think it's just a matter of time, I know it's a band I will end up loving sooner or later. I think they're somehow similar to Supertramp cos in my opinion they sound like pop oriented prog. I find some Styx stuff from the 70's a bit similar too. I haven't heard anything from 10cc, are they worth cheking out? Edited by SgtPepper67 - December 21 2008 at 07:38 |
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ZowieZiggy
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Posted: December 20 2008 at 18:57 | ||
These bands have nothing in common IMO (except they were great at some time of their existence). I have reviewed their whole works and liked them an awful lot.
But what does have ''Sheet Music'' or ''The Original Soundtrack'' (CC) has in common with ''Crime'' or ''Crisis'' (Tramp) or with 'the great ''ELO II'' or ''El Dorado''?
Nothing but a high rating (four to five stars).
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Abrawang
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Posted: December 11 2008 at 22:55 | ||
I haven't heard this song for ages but in university I always like 10cc's One Night in Paris. It's funny and has lots of prog elements. I tried a search on Limewire recently but you can imagine the results I got.
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 20 2008 at 03:52 | ||
i know it sounds a bit corny when someone says "that music was the soundtrack of my life" but ELO, Supertramp and 10cc truly were!
all their albums were rarely off my turntable during the 70's and 80's especially "Third Day","Face the Music", "Out of the Blue", "Time", "Crisis", "Breakfast", "Sheet Music", "Original Soundtrack", "How Dare You"......ah, memories...who needs a photo album? the faces and places all come flooding back
Edited by mystic fred - November 20 2008 at 03:53 |
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AlanD
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Posted: November 20 2008 at 02:36 | ||
All three bands happily reside in my collection...
10cc were sheer genius between 1972 and 1976 - the layering, nuance and attention to detail in their albums of this period would take a book to elucidate (I may write it one day).
ELO were just a fabbo pop band and although you could nearly always see where Jeff Lynne had re-written a tune from - I still found them irresistible.
Supertramp knocked my socks off live on the Crime of the Century tour but were patchier thereafter.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 11:34 | ||
Supertramp: Their first album is a super MASTERPIECE.
10 CC: haven't heard so much, but is great band.
ELO: Their first album is SUPERB.
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A B Negative
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Posted: June 09 2008 at 11:20 | ||
When I first started to seriously listen to music, my friend always insisted that Supertramp and ELO were better than Pink Floyd and Rush. I borrowed his LPs and found a lot of enjoyable music (but I still preferred Floyd and Rush).
Never met any 10cc fans.
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: June 09 2008 at 02:05 | ||
I agree with Blacksword several posts back--each, in their heyday, had some material that I enjoyed, but each having also MOR pop elements that are mostly antithetical to Prog...(cue the inevitable shadow reference to post-Hackett Genesis )
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jammun
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 22:27 | ||
My specialty
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Drew
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 22:22 | ||
That's somehow an insult to BOTH bands |
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jammun
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 22:19 | ||
Actually ELO, at least the hits, always reminded me of ABBA, or maybe the other way around.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 19 2008 at 02:54 | ||
I can't stand their first album, except for 10538 Overture. On The Third Day and Eldorado were their most solid offerings, although I'm also fond of Out of the Blue and A New World Record.
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BroSpence
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 00:50 | ||
I like ELO a lot actually. Don't care too much for the other two. Jeff Lyne is a creative guy and so he keeps the ELO albums quite interesting. I even enjoyed the generally hated Discovery album!
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