Who hates Genesis?

Vibrationbaby wrote:  But anyone who doesn`t like Gentle Giant should be killed.........slowly. Just kidding.

That would certainly wipe out entire continents were it to happen...

My country would be reduced to about...maybe...2 or 3 dozen people ...

Then we could establish the new Nation of Prog (not to be confused with a city in eastern Europe that sounds the same).
Some catchy Gentle Giant tune could be the national anthem ...

have a good weekend...

I agree with Iván. Tony Banks is underrated and  provided a lot of Genesis' atmospheric moodiness with his keyboard sounds.  Steve Hackett is an incredibly talented guitarist and composer of music. They both deserve more credit for creating the Genesis sound.

gdub411 wrote: Blacksword wrote: Sorry Vibrationbaby, I like Genesis so you may to choose to disregard my comments, but with regard to the comments made by the on line music seller that utah_man mentions, I have to disagree. He says that all prog heads have to like Genesis. Thats bollox IMO. Your taste is personal to you and I fully respect that. I can just about tolerate Yes at the best of times, I hope Yes freaks respect that. What I love about Genesis may be the very things you dislike. Thats cool! If we all agreed on everything, our discussions here would be very dull. Another anti-Yes man........brother!!!...I also like Genesis

Men of true taste gdub

Not that I'm really anti Yes, of course. I like a lot of what they do, and I find some of it ridiculous.

Richardh wrote:

Genesis were never really that progressive.

OK, if Musical Box, Can-Utility and the Coastliners, The Fountain of Salmacis and the Whole Lamb Lies Down on Broadway are not  the purest expression of progressive rock, I don't know what you consider Prog'.

Richardh wrote:

Banks never cared much for the synthesiser and stuck to using the Mellotron,which is a much more boring instrument IMO.

Well, at least you said it's your opinion, the use of Mellotron, Hammond Organ, Mini Moog, etc, is only a choice, if your music needs Mellotron, then you must use it. Jethro Tull bases their music in flute and vocals, Kansas in violin much more than in keyboards, Anglagard, one of the best progressive bands ever uses even 3 mellotrons plus flute, don't tell me neither of this bands is prog'

Richardh wrote:

Banks was and still is a very ordinary keys man compared to Emerson or Wakeman ..

Not all the keyboardists have to wear capes, stab organs or make endless solos, Tony Banks worked in the creation of an atmospheric sound more unique than any other band or keyboardist. I'm not talking about skills, maybe Wakeman's or Emerson's technique is better, but Tony's sound for a band was far more solid.

Tony is anything except ordinary, hundreed of bands follow his style, something only a few do with Keith or Rick's style

If not lets tell all the Neo Prog bands who follow Banks that they are wrong and only following a guy who never played prog'.

Richardh wrote:

Hackett as guitarist was in the slipstream of Howe

If I don't get what you want to say I ask excuses it's because my English, but IMO Hackett as a band player was at least in the level of Howe and as a soloist there's no comparison, 20 excellent albums speak for Steve Hackett.

Richardh wrote:

Collins was not 'brutal' enough to be a great drummer

Please Richardh, guys like Palmer or Peart have to brutal because they play in power trios, the style required for Genesis is different, you know I'm not a Collins fan, but speaking honestly he's one of the top drummers. Let's remember neither Bruford, Manu Katche, Phil Ehart, Alan White are especially brutal, but they are great drummers. 

Richardh wrote:

But those wierd and poetic lyrics are the saving grace

Please again Richardh, weird poetic lyrics? Sounds like you're describing Yes lyrics, Genesis based their lyrics in STORIES not in poetry (until ATOTT), complex stories about Mythology, History, Botanics, Sci-Fi, etc, but yes I agree, Genesis lyrics are awesome.

Iván

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Genesis were never really that progressive. Banks never cared much for the synthesiser and stuck to using the Mellotron,which is a much more boring instrument IMO.But the beauty in Genesis music lies in the lyrics NOT in the playing.Banks was and still is a very ordinary keys man compared to Emerson or Wakeman ..that's a fact.Hackett as guitarist was in the slipstream of Howe while Collins was not 'brutal' enough to be a great drummer.But those wierd and poetic lyrics are the saving grace.They would have bombed otherwise.

synthguy wrote: Hey, well, Genesis. Love em' or hate em'. Or, kind of like them, or dislike them. What's the difference? "Although I have the early stuff I never really listened to it that much."                       ...Bu t I hate it! "I never saw the real Genesis in concert but..."                       ...Th ey must have sucked! Contempt prior to investigation?

Hey, well, Genesis. Love em' or hate em'. Or, kind of
like them, or dislike them. What's the difference?

"Although I have the early stuff I never really listened
to it that much."
                     ...Bu t I hate it!

"I never saw the real Genesis in concert but..."
                     ...Th ey must have sucked!

Contempt prior to investigation?

Edited by synthguy

 I didn't care for the first album that I ever heard by them, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. I thought that it was too strange. Then I heard Selling England By The Pound and Foxtrot afterwards and liked them. I've learned to appreciate The Lamb more now. Like all challenging music, it takes awhile to get into, but once there it is more rewarding than simple ear candy.

Sorry Vibrationbaby, I like Genesis so you may to choose to disregard my comments, but with regard to the comments made by the on line music seller that utah_man mentions, I have to disagree. He says that all prog heads have to like Genesis. Thats bollox IMO. Your taste is personal to you and I fully respect that. I can just about tolerate Yes at the best of times, I hope Yes freaks respect that.

What I love about Genesis may be the very things you dislike. Thats cool! If we all agreed on everything, our discussions here would be very dull.

i used to dislike them but i like them a lot now. they used to bore me.

i still think they are probably the weakest of the prog giants and massively overrated. they are good... but not THAT GOOD!!! also the majority of their albums are poor from what i have heard/read. seems like their only amazing pieces are from trespass to wind and wuthering. then they became more pop orientated in the 80s and 90s.

This is similar to yes, 1971-1974 is incredible and probably the best example of what prog rock really is. after that things were pretty poor IMO

pink floyd, i think are the most consistent prog band. i thought every studio album from 1967-1979 was incredible except for obscured by clouds. i rate them the best prog band.

i can see how in one sense genesis have grasped the whole prog thing better than pink floyd, genesis (and yes) are pure prog, in a symphonic element, whilst pink floyd are a psychadelic space/experimental band that had a very strong prog creativity in their music.