A change of location needed?

You're right Frump; for that reason I put the starting statement as senseless; just turn back the page, scroll up and take a look 

FruMp wrote: sircosick wrote: FruMp wrote: Radiohead?...  Krautrock?... Check some wikipedia articles. I dunno that much about krautrock, but if you search there you'll find a few articles related, in which I'm sure I did read something about Radiohead influences..... say they took, certainly, influences from that sub-genre, specially Can. Influences. A lot of my favourite metal bands have jazz influences.

And what were we talkin' about?

Krautrock is more of a movement than a genre so only 70's band can get in. There are A LOT of krautrock sounding bands in the psychedelic / space rock genre because they aren't from that certain time span where Krautrock ruled the world.

Although I agree that Kid A and Amnesiac do have a strong Krautrock influence, they wont get in because of what I previously mentioned.

They where kicked out of Post-Rock because they simply aren't a Post-Rock (Unless you're reading it literally). People where implying that they invented the whole Post-Rock genre! Now that's scary...

I think Radiohead are prog. OK Computer was a prog album every way you look at it (it even had a mellotron!!!) and they continued their prog explorations by going all German on us with Kid A  and Amnesiac to a slight extent which if you consider Krautrock as part of the prog umbrella (like most of us do) then they're still being prog.

Don't know much of them after Amnesiac or before The Bends so I can't comment on the rest of their albums, but they certainly didn't started as a prog band and from what I've heard they left their experimental ways in their 2003 album...

I say Crossover Prog!

FruMp wrote: Radiohead?...  Krautrock?...

Check some wikipedia articles. I dunno that much about krautrock, but if you search there you'll find a few articles related, in which I'm sure I did read something about Radiohead influences..... say they took, certainly, influences from that sub-genre, specially Can.

^ Mike is right. In that case, I would also call 'em progressive electronic or krautrock, since both Kid A and Amnesiac have respective influences..... but that's not enough for a label.

Terra Australis wrote: micky wrote: FruMp wrote: Well to me post rock is taking the rock format and extrapolating it into longer mainly instrumental non-standard rock songs, almost ambient music with rock instrumentation (not to say that it excludes any other instruments). Like any progressive sub-genre though the boundaries blur and there is always a lot of debate between what is and isn't in certain genres - the best way to get a grip of what defines post-rock is really to listen to a whole lot of post-rock bands, which is how I came to know. I havne't heard enough of it to form a defintion in my head... always been curious about it though. Anyhow... take a read of this...  explains better than I could our thoughts on Radiohead One of favorite albums... http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=33814 they stay Xover... I agree, Radiohead are progressive in the sense they make what they like and it is different (or was when it was made). OK Computer is a great CD.

FruMp wrote: Well to me post rock is taking the rock format and extrapolating it into longer mainly instrumental non-standard rock songs, almost ambient music with rock instrumentation (not to say that it excludes any other instruments). Like any progressive sub-genre though the boundaries blur and there is always a lot of debate between what is and isn't in certain genres - the best way to get a grip of what defines post-rock is really to listen to a whole lot of post-rock bands, which is how I came to know.

I havne't heard enough of it to form a defintion in my head... always been curious about it though.

Anyhow... take a read of this...  explains better than I could our thoughts on Radiohead

One of favorite albums...

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=33814

they stay Xover...

FruMp wrote: I don't think radiohead are prog, relativity shouldn't come into it, there should be benchmark standards (although these can only be arbitrary as it's subjective in the end) Also I don't know what anyone else thinks but if radiohead aren't in prog related then I think they would be better suited to post-rock/experimental, anyone agree?

hahhaha.... I'll make you a deal.... I will bring up with Dean the idea of moving Radiohead.. IF....IF you can define exactly what post-rock is.  I have have searching for an answer to that  since I came to PA's Let's see if you can answer the question that even the collabs that manage it can't answer.. unless you count... you know it when you hear it hahhahaha.


Edited by micky - September 28 2007 at 23:37

P.H.P. wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Wow ... remind me to never take anything you say seriously again. Even on Pablo Honey Radiohead were like 10x more progressive than anything Oasis ever did - and don't get me started about Coldplay either. And of course Radiohead didn't stop there - it's their least progressive album. So Oasis is Prog then?!?! at least you're implying that, be careful you too with that kind of considerations hehe.

I'm not implying that at all ...

"progressive" is just an attribute of music ... a piece of music can be progressive and still not qualify to be called "prog" - or "prog-related". Also when I say that "x is more progressive than y" that doesn't imply that y is progressive ... in the above case it's kind of obvious that I don't consider Oasis to be progressive.

P.H.P. wrote: So you're also saying that every Radiohead album is Progressive, well then you should also tell me when you're kidding and when you're not, because that remains a joke to me, really.

I'm not saying that. Pablo Honey contains some remarkable songs with twisted time signatures and harmonic concepts that could not be found in any Oasis song (for example). This doesn't make the album prog, but it's still more progressive than Oasis.



Edited by MikeEnRegalia - September 26 2007 at 03:37

Yeah, certainly I'm far from being an alterno-guy.
...I've heard some alternative music but it just can't reach me, hahah, Prog is my cup of tea!

EDIT: But remember we're in a Prog site, and I'm giving my oppinion.



Edited by P.H.P. - September 25 2007 at 22:48