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chessman 
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 Topic: Oldfield vs Lifeson vs Livgren vs Petrucci
Posted: September 02 2007 at 09:58 |
Without a doubt, my vote goes to Alex.
In a trio, he has a lot to do, yet never tries to dominate proceedings. He is underrated simply because the other two are so highly rated. But he can match them.
Oldfield, on the other hand, though he was in bands before Tubular Bells, wouldn't fit well in a band now. His ego wouldn't allow it methinks. He is better as a solo artist.
Not keen on t'other two, so no point in discussing them.  |
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Dim
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Posted: September 01 2007 at 19:46 |
 stonebeard wrote:
This poll is so odd (stupid), I don't even wat to vote.
I just don't get these polls. |
I agree, Oldfield is probably who I would vote, but he's not THAT good.
everyone else is a pentatonic playing sloppy player im(not so humble)O.
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markosherrera
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Posted: September 01 2007 at 18:05 |
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Mike Oldfield
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Posted: September 01 2007 at 00:37 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
very sdtrange poll:
- Mike Oldfield: The worst thing you can have in a band is a oneman orchestra, he will spend all the timet rying to teach how to play your own instrument and very rarely this guys are virtuoso players or maaybe in one instrument. Only a person who never played in a band will want one gyuy like Miike or Vangelis at your side. They were born to play alone.
- Alex Lifeson: Not the best guitar player you can have.
- Petrucci: Wow a big ego in a band is not also the best you can get, uinless the rest of the band is so lame that you need 27 guitar solos per song to cover the rest..
- Kerry Livegren: Good but not amazing performer, used to be a great songwritter, but now he has a religious agenda so not the best for a band that wants to play about any issue, unless you are hired by the 700 Club.
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Disagree with Ivan here... Let me say:
1. Well, actually agree on this one...  
2. Maybe not the absolute virtuoso but very "useful" (weird term chosen here) for Rush, I'd say perfect for the music...
3. I actually think Petrucci has a normal ego, just like all in DT (maybe Portnoy has a bigger one)... The 27 solos mentioned are just part of the music...yes, THIS is how the music is intended to be in DT.
4. Sadly, religion stole a good musician from us.... when you mix deep beliefs with something that should be as free as music (which are just SOUNDS, they shouldn't be use to change the world), the results suffer...
Guess I didn't disagree that much after all, only 50%
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 01 2007 at 00:33 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
very strange poll:
- Mike Oldfield: The worst thing you can have in a band is a one man orchestra, he will spend all the time trying to teach how to play your own instrument and very rarely this guys are virtuoso players or maybe in one instrument.
- Alex Lifeson: Not the best guitar player you can have.
- Petrucci: Wow a big ego in a band is not also the best you can get, unless the rest of the band is so lame that you need 27 guitar solos per song to cover the rest..
- Kerry Livgren: Good but not amazing performer, used to be a great songwriter, but now he has a religious agenda so not the best for a band that wants to play about any issue, unless you are hired by the 700 Club.
Iván |
Agreed Ivan its a strange poll .. was never really aimed at being a poll to take seriously , it started with me reading glowing comments about Lifeson in another thread about Lifeson being the most creative member of Rush ? so I thought I`d put him up against Mike Oldfield just to test out the claim ... then I thought hey I think Livgren has produced some fine stuff wonder if I put Livgren up against Oldfield since they are both composers and multi instrumentalists... then I looked at Lifeson kinda being all alone and Petrucci entered the picture ... its a poll that kind of unraveled as it went along , Ultimately what we have here is two very good multi instrumentalists up against two very good players of their chosen instrument . Only one thing in commen exists with each of these mentioned , they all play the guitar either as the main instrument or at some point. 
Edited by Yorkie X - September 01 2007 at 00:57
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 01 2007 at 00:26 |
Very strange poll:
- Mike Oldfield: The worst thing you can have in a band is a one man orchestra, he will spend all the time trying to teach you how to play your own instrument and very rarely this guys are virtuoso players or maybe in one instrument. Only a person who never played in a band will want one guy like Mike or Vangelis at your side. They were born to play alone.
- Alex Lifeson: Not the best guitar player you can have.
- Petrucci: Wow a big ego in a band is not also the best you can get, uinless the rest of the band is so lame that you need 27 guitar solos per song to cover the rest..
- Kerry Livegren: Good but not amazing performer, used to be a great songwriter, but now he has a religious agenda so not the best for a band that wants to play about any issue, unless you are hired by the 700 Club.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 01 2007 at 00:39
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 01 2007 at 00:16 |
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of the topic ...be an amazing thing if all these guys got together and did a Transatlantic though wonder who would be the drummer ? probably OIdfield hes good at playing anything can Petrucci sing ? gonna need a singer Know Lifeson can sing but ....
Edited by Yorkie X - September 01 2007 at 00:18
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Flucktrot
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Posted: September 01 2007 at 00:09 |
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Livgren just for fun
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Thank you, God of Rock, for this chance to kick ass
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progadicto
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Posted: August 31 2007 at 23:53 |
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Mike Oldfield, one of the most amazing multi instrumentist and composer that I've heard!!!
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... E N E L B U N K E R...
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cookieacquired
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Posted: August 31 2007 at 18:28 |
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lifeson all the way!!!
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 23:30 |
iguana wrote:
apples vs. oranges vs. peaches vs. cherries ... |
Livgren's a peach?!? 
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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WaywardSon
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 22:57 |
It´s between Oldfield and Livgren,
I voted Kerry Livgren.
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Failcore
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 22:38 |
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Livgren in last, as per usual.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 21:55 |
This poll is so odd (stupid), I don't even wat to vote.
I just don't get these polls.
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 21:54 |
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In what way would Oldfield be considered a "useful" musician; I can only think of one time that he actually COLLABORATED with anybody, and that was pretty obscure. I would consider him to be a good musician and a good composer, but I wouldn't call him a good bandmate or even anybody's bandmate at all.
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 21:46 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
LIFESON IS SLOPPY
it's true! Lifeson is in second place, and should technically be in last.
Pentatonic, thats all he plays, every solo is sloppy (except la villa strangiato), and not well thought. |
That's cause sevenths sound like sh*t in guitar solos.
Edited by rileydog22 - August 30 2007 at 21:46
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 21:43 |
Out of the choices...Alex Lifeson. Petrucci seems obsessed with copying Metallica riffs as opposed to helping the band "progress". 
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Dim
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 21:16 |
Tony, I'm probably giving you the wrong impression that I am some rush basher by now, I actually like rush, not as much as I used to, but they are a corner stone band.
Barla, I respect Jimi's influence, but dont really respect his guitar playing, which also seems very sloppy to me.
I find Stevei ray Vaughn much more skilled because he's playing a BLUES scale on a, you know... BLUES SONG!!!
Guitar players like Young, Lifeson, Paige and most of the "guitar virtusos" of the seventies dont yeild much respectfrom me because they actually do not show much skill.
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Bastille Dude
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 20:01 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
LIFESON IS SLOPPY
it's true! Lifeson is in second place, and should technically be in last.
Pentatonic, thats all he plays, every solo is sloppy (except la villa strangiato), and not well thought. |
You jest, right?
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DEATH TO FALSE PROG!
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Tony R
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Posted: August 30 2007 at 19:09 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
LIFESON IS SLOPPY
it's true! Lifeson is in second place, and should technically be in last.
Pentatonic, thats all he plays, every solo is sloppy (except la villa strangiato), and not well thought. |
yeah, right... 
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