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Easy Livin 
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
 Topic: We have some serious problemsPosted: April 19 2007 at 03:38 |
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Yes, just the link!
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tuxon
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Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
Posted: April 19 2007 at 02:02 |
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So the wedding is off?
 ohhh you mean the link.
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Ghandi 2
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Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 22:28 |
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I disagree because as a resource, the bios should not express any personal opinion. If it were to say "it was hailed by critics as one of the best symphonic albums of the '90s" (assuming that were a true statement), then that would be ok, but stating that as fact is not, in my opinion.
Hahaha, that's not a very nice answer. :P I wouldn't mind cleaning up some of the bios, but that's not really my responsibility, now is it? If I were to be a collab, then it would be, but trying to turn this back on me when I am raising very valid issues is just silly.
That's not the problem; I don't think the use of the first person pronoun is appropriate. Obviously, mentioning other groups that sound similar is helpful and possibly even necessary.
AllMusicGuide has existed since 1991 and the website has been up since 1995, for one thing. For another thing, as a professional site, they're not going to steal a description from a prog site.
You don't even need to change it immediately. I know how powerful the forces inertia and even apathy are, especially on the internet. All I ask is that you credit it until you get a new one up. Really, it's not that hard to edit in "Copyright Allmusic.com" or something at the bottom.
I can wait, but I felt that if I didn't bring this issues up, they would never get resolved since, no offense to you intended because I know how it is, inertia is extremely powerful, and it's very easy to put off revising that bio ad infinitem. I've done things like that myself on other websites. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 15:41 |
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As Assaf said, we plan to rewrite the RIO/Avant-prog bio eventually. I have been busy this week, but I'll have a look at it and see if I can write a draft.
Again, as Assaf said, be patient, things will be put right eventually. |
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 15:35 |
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It was Hugues, but Raf felt it had run its course and I think she was right.
Edited by Easy Livin - April 18 2007 at 15:36 |
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progismylife
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Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 15:32 |
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Some good points here Ghandi.
Maybe some extra help is need? Eh? Do you collaborators need another one? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean  |
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Chus
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Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 15:29 |
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About the bios. It's natural that some might use: "one of the best _______ of all time/ever/since ___"; not as biased as "this is THE best _________ of all time/ever/since_____"; the latter one needs to be fixed, but not the former, since it doesn't degrade other artists of the same vein nor does it degrade the artist himself. I agree we should redact our own biographies about artists.
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20526 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 15:22 |
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I thought the wedding link was funny
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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bhikkhu
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 13:14 |
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You have to remember that this is a very large database. Some things were added a long time ago, before the genre teams even existed. Going through, and fixing all of the problems is an arduous task to say the least. We have done this in Symphonic, and others teams are working very hard as well. I have no doubt that all of the issues will be addressed, but it takes time. Remember, we are all volunteers here.
As for the Spock's Beard bio, I will check it out. We went through and wrote bios for all the bands that had little, or nothing at all. I'm sorry if we didn't take time to critique all of the existing ones.
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kazansky
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Joined: December 24 2006 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 5085 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 11:36 |
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perhaps the statement could be rephrased to something that doesn't look like personal point of view. something like 'this band has similar sound/style with...' or such |
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 11:32 |
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I've asked M@x to remove the wedding reference.
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TheProgtologist
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 09:23 |
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"What's possibly even worse are the bios that say "they remind me of Band X"
Just to clarify something,one of the requirements when writing a bio for a band is that we mention bands that have a similar style.
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avestin
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 09:19 |
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I have the same feelings about the ZART definition and I suggested to the team to revise it and we are actually discussing these days about it and it will change.
I don't know who wrote those first definitions but they should be our "own" and they also lack much info (especially the RIO one).
You can see some of the discussion in the RIO Drop In Centre thread. The rest of it is in the collab zone.
We will update it.
But give us some time, as this is a team effort and we are not time synchronated and we do have jobs and life outside PA, and other duties here in PA so it might take a while.
 Edited by avestin - April 18 2007 at 09:24 |
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chopper
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20045 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 07:37 |
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Just wondering - how do you know the descriptions were "stolen" from allmusic and not vice versa? I agree about the micky and GR reference (sorry guys). I assume it's a temporary reference and will be removed eventually. |
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 03:30 |
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Which of these issues do you feel you would like to take on Ghandi? |
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enteredwinter
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Joined: June 05 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 501 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 00:23 |
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Assuming you are right about the plagiarism (I don't have time to check it all out), then I agree with you 100%.
About the band biographies, the Tool and Thinking Plague ones are definitely too biased and even offensive in the case of the latter, but I don't see much wrong with the Neal Morse one. Yeah, it praises him too much, but unless I missed something egregious, it doesn't seem like it really requires editing. About the wedding link, well, I agree that it just looks odd on the front page, particularly since clicking it brings the average person nowhere. It's just confusing to the average person who doesn't understand what amounts to an inside joke, and I agree that it should be taken off, but I don't think it's a huge deal. Overall, good rant, you bring up some important points. Edited by enteredwinter - April 18 2007 at 00:23 |
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Ghandi 2
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Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 00:19 |
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Oh wow, you're right, the Spock's Beard bio is even worse. Hahaha, "This adventurous band" [has] "by far the best progressive rock album of the decade."
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moreitsythanyou
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VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 00:09 |
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Actually, I recall the Spock's Beard biography being extremely biased.
Anyway, I can tell that there are small changes that can be made to heighten the accuracy and legitimacy of the site and they should be done eventually, but I'm sure there are more important things that the webmasters and collaborators have to worry about
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 <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
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OpethGuitarist
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Joined: June 25 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1655 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 00:04 |
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^^
that addition was added by Max so I doubt it will be changed |
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
Posted: April 18 2007 at 00:04 |
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Those are all problems, that last one pisses me off the most though. I clicked it the verry first time I came to this site.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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