More on my paper (HELP!)

Hi Joren,

I answered your PM.

I'd like a copy of that paper . Heck most would so you should post it here !!!

To translate it you can go on translation sites just copy and paste press enter and voila a so-so translation.

As an example here is a site that does some translation :

http://world.altavista.com/?kg=XX&il=en

But  but they do not do dutch maybe do a search on Google for Dutch transaltion.

Peter Rideout wrote: Joren wrote: ... worked the whole damn night! Time to go to school!  Straight to bed (with some fine prog turned down low) when you get home today, little Joren! Still, I'll bet it was a great feeling to hand the paper in on time!   (I remember that particular "high" very well!) (I myself am feeling good here at 1:15 AM because I've just submitted two new reviews -- my first in too long a while! As George Costanza on "Seinfeld" would say: "I'm BACK baby!") Again, congratulations on a job (almost certainly) well done!  I'm glad to have helped in some small way.

I'm afraid I'll have disappoint you, Peter. I finished my paper in time, but then my printer crashed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm in school now, and I don't have the damn paper! Sounds like a lame excuse: printer broken.

I like the sound of "straight to bed, little Joren"!

THANKS to everybody! I really appreciated that! If you want a copy of the paper, I can mail it to you (it's in dutch)

... worked the whole damn night!

Time to go to school!

Joren:

You're welcome.  A couple of comments on a few of the bands:

Brand X.  As excellent as they are, they were not influential on others.  They came in pretty late in the game, and were actually influenced by others.

Focus.  Some have suggested that they are progenitors of prog.  Though I love the song, I have never considered "Hocus Pocus" prog.  And although some of their early stuff does "straddle" prog, this may have been a case of "stumbling upon" prog sensibilities, rather than have a conscious prog "approach."  In addition, it is doubtful they were very influential on anyone else.

Kansas.  Although many classify them as "prog," I do not.  Again, some of their stuff tread the fine line between rock and prog, but, again, nothing convinces me that they were consciously "prog," nor were they influential on anyone (that I am aware of).

Manfred Mann.  Like Procol Harum, maybe even Iron Butterfly and Cream, MM may have had some "prog sensibilities," but they were not, overall, a "prog" band, nor, again, did they have great (if any) influence on others.

Alan Parsons.  Much of his stuff may be classified as "prog" in its approach, but, like Brand X, he comes in somewhat late in the game.  And he is largely prog because he engineered and/or produced prog bands before he went solo, and thus had a "grounding" in prog.  But, again, I doubt he influenced anyone.

Styx.  If there were a "pop-prog" category on the site, I would include them (along with 10CC, XTC, and a few others, including Supertramp).  That said, Styx was primarly a pop band, with occasional prog sensibilities.  And, again, they were not "influential" but "influenced."

Peace.

Joren:

IMHO, you could drop alot more than 15, since only 10-15 of the bands listed are actually "influential"; i.e., the rest were, to one degree or another, influenced by the others.  The bands I would keep as most influential (or "important" are:

ELP, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, VDGG, Yes.  These ten are the most "seminal" of the list.  In the next "grouping," I would include Camel, Hawkwind, Soft Machine, maybe Amon Duul, Caravan, Gong, PFM, possibly Rush.  Adding these eight will give you 18.

To these I would add Museo Rosenbach, since they are one of the earliest Italian prog bands (contemporary with the "seminal" groups), and had influence not only on Italian and other European prog, but possibly on some of the seminal groups as well.

That's 19.  For the 20th, take the rest of the list and throw a dart at it and keep whichever one the dart hits.  Because IMHO none of the others was particularly "important" vis-a-vis being influential on either the others noted or on other bands not noted.

Peace.

Hi progfans & Peter

   

Well... my first post on the forum.

I think you should retain the next bands...

Bands range from early PINK FLOYD* and HAWKWIND*. These days, "psych" commonly informs music space rock and space fusion.

*the pioneers of progressive rock

- Art Rock (roots in popular music): SUPERTRAMP, STYX and RUSH (progressive metal appeared as a mix of prog rock)

- Canterbury (more of a region in England): SOFT MACHINE

- Jazz-fusion: BRAND X

- Rock In Opposition: HENRY COW

- Krautrock: CAN

- Zheul (a sub-genre of progressive rock created by the French band MAGMA)

- Space Progressive Rock: ELOY (more accessible) or AMON DÜÜL - the English line-up (your choice)

- à la MIKE OLDFIELD

- Symphonic Progressive Rock:
This is the category where we find most of what we have come to know as progressive rock bands.
- à la GENTLE GIANT
- symphonic progressive rock (leaders & masters): YES & GENESIS (with Peter GABRIEL)
- French theatral/symphonic: ANGE
- Italian symphonic progressive: PFM or BANCO (your choice)
- classical progressive rock: ELP
- KING CRIMSON's style:VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR (Peter HAMMILL)
- folk progressive rock: JETHRO TULL

Good luck for your work...!
Bonne chance pour votre travail...!

All the best

ProgLucky@ProgArchives
Rony from Quebec (Canada)

N.B.: Sorry for my bad English writing. 

Thanks Tauhd! As you know, my French is great (Je ne comprend pas!)

Vibrationbaby wrote: If you go to my old Guru Guru poll you'll find a mini- history of the band I wrote last month. Unfortunately they are not represented very well over the internet. Is this paper going to be in English or Dutch? Do we get to see the the finished product?

It's in Dutch, but if you like to look at the pictures, you can see it when it's finished!

Joren wrote: I'll mention all of the bands you suggested (except for Amon Duul and Guru Guru, I couldn't find a decent biography)

Joren,

For your Krautrock section here are two links (but sorry it is in french)

Amon Duul : http://petit.sebastien.free.fr/ad.html

Amon Duul II : http://petit.sebastien.free.fr/ad2.html

Guru Guru : http://petit.sebastien.free.fr/guruguru.html

Good luck for your work

All very subjectively:

Brand X, Colloseum II, Kansas, Manfred Mann's Earth Band, Alan Parson Project, Saga, Supertramp, Styx, Ange, Barclay James Harvest, Mike Oldfield, Eloy, Gong, The Moody Blues, Mahavishnu Orchestra

Peace,

Ulf