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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Topic: The Byrds Posted: January 26 2007 at 15:31 |
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akin
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Posted: January 26 2007 at 14:29 | |
The Animals have excellent albums: The Twain Shall Meet, Every One of Us and Love Is. They are very psychedelic and experimental and maybe more proto-prog than Byrds. |
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akin
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Posted: January 26 2007 at 14:19 | |
Younger than Yesterday and The Notorious Byrd Brothers are IMO excellent psychedelic albums.
Unfortunately they went back to the roots after these two, otherwise they could be leading the prog genre in USA. Based on these factors, no, though I like them very much. |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: January 26 2007 at 14:11 | |
Fred: "I putting the Animals up for inclusion - well House Of The Rising Son was the longest single ever up to that point time, and therefore must be progressive"
Joe: "Nah, I'll go for the Shadows, first British group to have a bass guitar - now that's progressive"
Bryan: "Gobblers! Elvis man, he fused C&W and the blues, now that was progressive"
Ad Nauseum ....NOW they were a good band!
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Tony R
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Posted: January 26 2007 at 11:53 | |
I made sure I added "Personally speaking" in my post to ensure that people realised this was just my personal opinion and NOT site policy. |
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:13 | |
Hmm, I'm not seeking to be part in any "pressure groups" (at least for The Byrds), but I'm not ashamed of my arguments given towards their inclusion. In addition, I think Sean also gave good arguments against their inclusion.
Should there be some kind of ban list formed of the bands which addition suggestions are not welcome?
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 22:24 | |
No. They were a somewhat innovative pop band. Heck, I think CSNY are more progressive but I don't think they should be here either.
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salmacis
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 11:47 | |
Nay, nay and thrice, nay. 'Certainly' not.
Actually 'The Notorious Byrd Brothers' might surprise some, with its early and very advanced Moog use but even with that album, I'd never, ever expect to see them here. If ever a band was the American equivalent of The Beatles I'd say it was The Byrds (and not The Beach Boys, imho) but their output is largely folk/country based rock- hardly classic prog material now, is it? I think 'country rock', though I like some of it, was considered to be a 'back to the roots' reaction against the acid rock/psychedelic movement which arguably makes it more regressive than progressive as Hugues says. I think Tony's posts sum up these ever more bizarre suggestions... Edited by salmacis - January 25 2007 at 11:48 |
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Tony R
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 11:41 | |
Maybe all those "for" this inclusion could form a pressure group for lobbying?
I got a name.... ....The Byrd Brains.... |
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Tony R
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 11:39 | |
...and of course Elvis Presley was the most influential Rock artist of them all.....
...the Rolling Stones, cant imagine any 70s band NOT being influenced by The Stones. Who else was big? Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Fleetwood Mac, The Grateful Dead, The Kinks,Johnny Cash, Joan Baez,Jerry Lee Lewis (showmanship influenced Emerson and Wakeman) Pinky & Perky ( they obviously influenced Geddy Lee and Jon Anderson)......... |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 11:36 | |
Historically, "Eight miles high" has been the first song featuring lyrics about conscious illimiters, in the circumstances, not the least: LSD. |
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Tony R
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 11:33 | |
Makes you wonder whether we should have a sign on the entrance door to ProgArchives Grand Central:
Everyone Welcome. Personally speaking, why doesnt everyone just list all the non-Prog bands they like and we'll all consider them for inclusion. It would be quicker than all these ridiculous threads. Put them on a list, ask EVERYBODY to vote, not just the one's who insist on concerning themselves with these things, and start counting the Xs. I reckon the average forum member could veto 100 bands in about 1 minute. The Beach Boys influenced Yes so why not them? In fact "Pet Sounds" was probably the most influential recording ever... |
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bhikkhu
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 11:26 | |
They were an innovative band, but I'm not sure if they had any real impact on prog.
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 11:21 | |
Yeah, ive been listening to Fifth Dimension and its wonderful, and certainly they should be included here...they have a definite correlation to other bands here like Beatles.
Great stuff! |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 10:33 | |
Well The Byrds invented (with Dylan on Highway 61) Folk rock, but this was West-coast folk rock which eventually grew to become country rock via the Byrds' Sweetheart Of The Rodeo and Dylan's John Wesley Harding and his band (The Band) Music From The Big Pink.
While those albums were groundbreaking, I am not sure they can be called progressive in the sense we are looking at it.
The prog folk or folk prog we are featuring in our database is more into the UK folk rock and its medieval or pre-classical music roots.
While I love 8 Miles High (and a few more tracks leet alone Crosby's If I Could Remember My Name album), I don't think The Byrds have enough arguments to rival The Beatles or Jefferson Airplane.
Regressive you mean??? This album helped out country music and its ultra conservateur public to claim a hold onto rock music
Calling this album influential, for sure !!! Groundbreaking also!!! but progressive ????
'd rather not, please!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 10:16 | |
They were an innovator for YES, and they also in part of developing the psychedelic folk music style. Despite their later USA country albums I think their first 4-5 records make a nice career worth mentioning in the proto prog genre IMO.
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clarke2001
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 06:10 | |
Despite that "if X is here, Y should be, too" policy, they got my vote
For the sake of Fifth Dimension (1966)! ...eeeeiight miiiles hiiiigh... |
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 23:29 | |
^^^ Hey Micky
Yeh, the Byrds were way ahead of the game with Sweethearts. As most other bands were steeped in acid rock, they predicted the country rock style soon to come. Well ahead of the Dead and the Eagles etc.
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micky
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 20:46 | |
the one album of theirs that still really hits me and I absolutely
adore was Sweethearts of the Rodeo. Not exactly prog but VERY progressive wouldn't you say?
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micky
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 20:45 | |
all joking aside.. they are worthy.. of consideration that is. |
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