Hackett or Petrucci?

MajesterX wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: [QUOTE=MajesterX]I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!   If you don't like the the thread, you can avoid it, it's your choice, but nobody has to shut a debate simply because blah blah blah blah....... Honesty, did you think I was serious in that post?? You really need to get a sense of humour my friend in this place, with all respects. I guess I'm just the type of person that likes to make silly over-dramatic rants because they are annoyed. Just PLEASE never dissect my ever words like they're a poor dead pigeon in a school biology class, it's more formal to quote me and THEN talk about what I said and how it's wrong than to pick and my every syllable. In all seriousness, I see them both as equals, Hackett is better at emotional more classical based playing while Petrucci better at more technical more metal based playing. Personally I like a combination between technicality and emotion. I think players like Daniel Gildenlow, Mikael Akerfeldt, Alex Lifeson and Steve Howe bring that to the table in their own unique way. Cheers!

Sorry didn't read that .. but you have to be careful, perhaps you could raise another DT war or ELP war for rants like these
       

Gotta go get my paycheck for DT bashin'

Honestly you did sounded very serious, at least for Progismylife (Who I never talked with) and me,but if it all was a joke, no harm has been done (Well, even if it's serious, no harm has been done anyway).

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 24 2007 at 20:25

    You are all wrong since you didn't include Green Day's guitar player and mastermind in the poll.....

MajesterX wrote: I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!   If you don't like the the thread, you can avoid it, it's your choice, but nobody has to shut a debate simply because you don't like it, specially when nobody has been insulting or offensive. The reason I hate this place is because people just bash Dream Theater all day long and praise the classic prog bands which I don't find to be that great.   Nobody is bashing Dream Theater here, nobody has said Petrucci is a bad guitar player, it's a simple conversation and argumented opinions about degrees of skills...NOTHING ELSE.   If you want to listen people saying how much they love Dream Theater and how they believe it's the best band of the world, there are plenty of fan clubs, people gives their opinion, like it or not.   But why are you so angry about a place you hate so much in your own words? Ivan- WE GET IT! You don't need to continue fighting!   I'm not fighting or haven't fought a single time, just gave arguments. I didn't started this thread and if people reply politely as has happened until now, I won't shut up. I have said several times I can understand people believing Petrucci is better but neither I agree, neither I have offended anybody. We know you wish Petrucci was dead and in the ground in an unmarked grave while you reign as prime minister and play with the wizards in Peter Gabriel's lyrics in the magical utopia of Hackett-land where any non-atmospheric feelings are illegal as people burn Iron Maiden records while wearing capes. You've proven your point! First, I have nothing against Petrucci, saying I don't believe he's in the level of versatility and acomplishments is only expressing my opinions as I wouldn't feel offended when people compares Hackett, Howe or anybody with most surely technically superior players as Segoivia or Paco de Lucía in the acustic, Flamenco and classical fields.   It would be completely stupid to hate a person who I haven't talked with in my life.   For your information, I'm one of the members who has insisted more in the addition of Iron Maiden and supported it from the start when people was harrasing Raf, not only because I believe they are pioneers of Prog Metal but also a superb band, so it's very unlikely I would burn an album of one of my favorite bands (You may ask Ghost Rider about this or simply read my posts).   Haven't said or implied that a single time, haven't even mention Petrucci lacks of skills a single time, something that has been said several times about Hackett, but believe me, neither I work for Hackett neither I receive a dime, I just give my opinions and that you won't stop them.   That I don't like Dream Theater.. it's true I have never hidden it, but I don't like a lot of King Crimson, VDGG and never been able to fully understand Gentle Giant, what's wrong with that, I knoew what I like and I say it publicly despite the sub-genre, era or approach, I also asked for the inclusion of bands like Fantomas, Miranda Sex Garden, OSIBISA, Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera (As a fact I have included all them except Fantomas) and none  is remotely Symphonic or Classic Prog. You said " I doubt Petrucci would play classical guitar as perfect as classically-trained guitarists". I doubt Hackett would play metal guitar as perfectly as guitarists who play demanding heavy metal.   Yes you're right, Hackett is not a metal guitar player, but again, the poll was made about this two musicians, I didn't placed the rules neither asked the question.   I'm talking specificly about general skills, versatility, recognition and a couple issues more, and I have given arguments plus quotes for each one. You have not mentioned that Hackett has not touched Metal playing.   You're right, because HE DOESN'T PLAY METAL, I would be lying if I said he did, despite I believe somngs like Musical Box or The Knife (Not written but performed by him) have already some metalic elements and aggressive guitar playing. Sorry for the rant, but this sounds more like Policy Debate than a stupid poll on a progressive rock forum.   If it's so stupid...Why are you wasting your time and showing your anger in it when you have at least 100 other open threads to give your opinion in?   Iván

I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!

The reason I hate this place is because people just bash Dream Theater all day long and praise the classic prog bands which I don't find to be that great.

Ivan- WE GET IT! You don't need to continue fighting!

We know you wish Petrucci was dead and in the ground in an unmarked grave while you reign as prime minister and play with the wizards in Peter Gabriel's lyrics in the magical utopia of Hackett-land where any non-atmospheric feelings are illegal as people burn Iron Maiden records while wearing capes. You've proven your point!

You said " I doubt Petrucci would play classical guitar as perfect as classically-trained guitarists".
I doubt Hackett would play metal guitar as perfectly as guitarists who play demanding heavy metal.

You have not mentioned that Hackett has not touched Metal playing.

Sorry for the rant, but this sounds more like Policy Debate than a stupid poll on a progressive rock forum.

Chus wrote: I heard some of those pieces of AMND and they sounded quite easy to play, as opposed to pieces like "Sevilla" by Albeniz or "Estudio Remembranza" by Segovia. now those are tough mothers. I'm not going to jump into the conclusion that Hackett lacks technical skill because I haven't heard him trying to play pieces quite like them (as yet).

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 23 2007 at 23:15

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: akin wrote: Hackett in Genesis was not that good mainly because he didn't have many spots as the band was keyboard driven. But man, check his solo stuff. The classical songs are fantastic. Hackett was not good in Genesis, HACKETT WAS PERFECT FOR GENESIS. Genesis music required a person able to create atmospheres, he was the support of the band along with Banks, many of the sounds that most people believe are keyboards are in fact created by Hackett with his unique style before the MIDI guitar was invented. Remember Hackett's performance in The Return of the Giant Hogweed is historical, nobody ever before dared to bring the tapping technique to Rock, he was the predecessor. The prove of how good he was in Genesis is that when he left, the band lost everything, not even Gabriel's departure caused so much damage to Genesis musically. I heard a Gabriel interview about Hackett's audition and he said that while all the other guitar players were doing speed masturbation and trying to be the new Hendrix or Santana (there is only one Hendrix and Santana), Hackett started working on atmospheres and they decided for him inmediately. Hackett in the other hand says that he noticed that Genesis music required more depth and atmosphere, it was easy for him to make an amazing solo to impress the band (Most bands would had hired a flashy guitar player more easily) but he heard Genesis music, knew what was missing there and added it, took the risk and was hired, that's what a real musician does.   IMO Hackett is more responsible of the Genesis trademark sound than Banks, Banks is the composer but Steve added what the band was lacking of. So Hackett wins by a mile.   There we agree.   Iván

I like this guy

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Sasquamo wrote: Uhhhh, because by no means could Hackett play the stuff Petrucci does.   Ehm, I don't see any except incredibly high speed, Hackett can do almost anything and as a fact has done it.   Iván

Take a Petrucci lick and hand it to Hackett, and he would be immediately lost.  Hand a Hackett like to Petrucci and he would play it perfectly, but you would say he wasn't playing it with the same emotion or he played it "too perfectly" or something like that.

Visitor13 wrote: I'd love to get a classical guitarist's opinion of Hackett's classical stuff and a jazz guitarist's of his jazz stuff. Then again, the fact that Hackett can play classical on a (at the very least) decent level  already speaks volumes about his ability and talent. I haven't heard his jazz stuff, but I'm more skeptical here, as I don't think you can really dabble in jazz (neither can you dabble in classical, but I think Hackett does more than merely to dabble there) You can play jazzy-sounding licks, but little more than that, IMO... but I'm certainly not writing Hackett's jazz abilities off here.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 23 2007 at 10:13

The question is:

White Shadow wrote: My friend of lesser looks and musical tastes and I quarrel a lot.  Who, is the better guitarist, musician, and who had the better band?  Also, who makes the btter music? Hackett hands down for me.  Just my opinion.

It seems hard at first because though Petrucci is far less refined and wide-ranging than Hackett, Petrucci would probably win a competition on chops only. But the question says 'better guitarist, musician, and who had the better band'-- Well, the better all-around guitarist is Hackett, the more versatile and knowledgable musician is Hackett, and for better band Hackett wins again. Hmm...could the winner be Steve Hackett?