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Many times I have seen that some of the "Amateur Reviewers" know more about the history of bands than some of the "Professional Reviewers". For example, I read in a magazine in 1978-79 a review about "Bob Fripp and Cream Crimson" LOL
 
I also read in other magazines of the seventies that Genesis` "Trespass" album or "Nursery Cryme" were their first albums, ignoring previous albums. A reviewer also only credited Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford and Peter Gabriel as the Genesis line-up of "The Lamb..." album, and another mentioned that Phil Collins and Steve Hackett were original members of the band.
 
In ABWH`s "An Evening of YES Music Plus"  live album (in the Herald Records release), the writer of the sleeve notes wrote that the members of ABWH "didn`t play together since they were on tour in 1979 promoting YES`s "Tormato" album". Of course, Bruford wasn`t playing with YES then!
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

 
    Sorry Bob,misread that,I saw the name Herald and presumed he was being facetious!

If that's the case then he is being quite arrogant.
 
The real rpoblem is that most Proffesional reviewers are very careful not to mess with the musicians or the music industry, their main objective is to entertain and they are bland with the albums, if they don't like it they take 100 words to say this and hide the fact the album is really bad.
 
Professional reviewers normally are worried to keep their job and of course they will praise an album thatis popular because ifthey something good about Madonna or Britney, their fans (Who are a lot) are going to buy the paper, the owners will be happy and pay the guy more.
 
Amateur reviewers (Amateur refers to people that don't get paid, those who make something for pure love) are in most of the cases honest, if they (we) don't like something, we say it in two simple words "It's terrible", amateur reviewers don't have agendas or depend on a magazine or radio related to the music industry, the most we will get is aphrase in a forum saying "hey xxx, good review"..
 
I read proffesional reviewers talking crap of really good albums like saying about Kansas something like they are only hillbillies that should learn a fifth note (Something like this was said by a Pro reviewer named Bottomley) but at the same time he said that ABBA is an essential band.
 
What some artist want are bland reviews that entertain and don't warn the new consumer if an album is really bad. I don't kbnow if this is the case, but it0's the reality in some cases.
 
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I'm not so sure Tony.


He refers to the Hairless Heart website, plus his quote "No, I can smell Hobbyists at work. Amateurs pretending to be Professionals. Bedroom journalists. Being a "music enthusiast" doesn't necessarily mean that you're suddenly qualified to release poorly written diatribe after diatribe about other people's work." could easily be said to point towards sites like ours. 




    Sorry Bob,misread that,I saw the name Herald and presumed he was being facetious!

If that's the case then he is being quite arrogant.
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Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=89183



On front page, very short, less than 50 words.
 
Still checking, Joey... there's some information about the music there. Confused
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I'm not so sure Tony.

He refers to the Hairless Heart website, plus his quote "No, I can smell Hobbyists at work. Amateurs pretending to be Professionals. Bedroom journalists. Being a "music enthusiast" doesn't necessarily mean that you're suddenly qualified to release poorly written diatribe after diatribe about other people's work." could easily be said to point towards sites like ours. 
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:



He has some interesting view Tony, but I can't say I agree with a lot of them. He seems more concerned that a review should be entertaining rather than informative. That may be the case for the superficial reviews which can be read in music magazines, but personally I'd rather read a review which told me something about the album, rather than one which just makes me laugh.
 

He also seems to be of the opinion that if you don't write to a professional standard, you shouldn't be writing reviews.


I think he's referring to professional reviewers or at least "music editors" in newspapers and magazines.Not amateur enthusiasts.

     
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

He has some interesting view Tony, but I can't say I agree with a lot of them. He seems more concerned that a review should be entertaining rather than informative. That may be the case for the superficial reviews which can be read in music magazines, but personally I'd rather read a review which told me something about the album, rather than one which just makes me laugh.
 
He also seems to be of the opinion that if you don't write to a professional standard, you shouldn't be writing reviews.



I agree 100% with you, Bob. I found some of his comments a bit offensive towards people who review records without being 'professionals' (whatever that may mean) - as if the reviews written by professional journalists were any better than those written by what he calls amateurs.


Absolutely right. The changes he proposed didn't add any content to the original statements. Yes, they were more entertaining to read, but so what? Reviews should be informational, not just 'nicely formatted data'.  Besides, he seems to forget that not all of us are alphabet wizards. I happen to like writing, and (looking at his reviews) so does someone like ClemOfNazareth, but does that make our reviews better, information wise that is? I guess not...
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

He has some interesting view Tony, but I can't say I agree with a lot of them. He seems more concerned that a review should be entertaining rather than informative. That may be the case for the superficial reviews which can be read in music magazines, but personally I'd rather read a review which told me something about the album, rather than one which just makes me laugh.
 
He also seems to be of the opinion that if you don't write to a professional standard, you shouldn't be writing reviews.



I agree 100% with you, Bob. I found some of his comments a bit offensive towards people who review records without being 'professionals' (whatever that may mean) - as if the reviews written by professional journalists were any better than those written by what he calls amateurs.
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On front page, very short, less than 50 words.
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He has some interesting view Tony, but I can't say I agree with a lot of them. He seems more concerned that a review should be entertaining rather than informative. That may be the case for the superficial reviews which can be read in music magazines, but personally I'd rather read a review which told me something about the album, rather than one which just makes me laugh.
 
He also seems to be of the opinion that if you don't write to a professional standard, you shouldn't be writing reviews.
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Jem Godfrey,the mastermind behind Frost* has some very interesting and incisive points to make about reviewing (and,of course,reviews of Milliontown)under the heading of "Critical Mass " in his blogspot:

http://milliontown.blogspot.com/

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I`ve just found it while reading El Cielo reviews
 

DREDG — El Cielo

Review by fred84 (Andrea)

5 stars A MASTERPIECEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!FABOULOUSSSSSSSSS!!!!!Incredible album!!! if you mixed up Pink Floyd style and Tool hard riff with melancolic Maynard voice you can obtain Dredg style incredible!!!

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I almost may see the ex-Rycheman hearing "Hurt" with Johnny Cash while pumping his chimarrão and eating his picanha. Big smile 
 
 I nearly spat out my Xis com ovo when I saw that review!!
 
BTW, Greg do you like chimarrão? I used to pump it 'cause my father was a real gaucho! Wink
 
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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

I almost may see the ex-Rycheman hearing "Hurt" with Johnny Cash while pumping his chimarrão and eating his picanha.

BTW, Greg do you like chimarrão? I used to pump it 'cause my father was a real gaucho!


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Ansen and Rico: noted! Smile
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Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

 
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I almost may see the ex-Rycheman hearing "Hurt" with Johnny Cash while pumping his chimarrão and eating his picanha. Big smile 
 
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THRESHOLD — Extinct Instinct

Review by oms.salvador

4 stars Creed that little groups Prog-metal only can therefore interesting for a public adept person to the Progressive ones, but Threshold is sure one of these! In fact "Extinct Instinct" will capture and song like "Forever", "Virtual Isolation", "Clear", "Life Flow" and "Exposed" are not born every day, for which... On purpose beyond to the entire group a special mention it goes to Damian Wilson, one of the best voices of metal and progressive ones. Not a masterpiece, but an absolute disc sure. It makes it yours you, against every prejudgement!

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THRESHOLD — Extinct Instinct

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5 stars The Prog Metal is today the Prog! Said this the Threshold I am one of the fundamental band for this genre. "Extinct Instinct" is a really incredible album! And not only because the songs they are all of the masterpieces, but also because it is very warm (do not like in a lot of cases in the Prog Metal). We say immediately that it is Karl Groom than Nick Midson are two excelling guitarists, even if not like very other technicians, however have a really sole feeling and also Damian wilson is an excellent singer. You song like "Exposed", "Eat The Unicorn", "Forever", "Virtual Isolation" or "Clear" done not understand all of the days of to listen to them (and I believe not even of to write them!). When I gained it (in 1997) I did not know a lot of the Prog Metal, but thanks to this fundamental masterpiece I am enchanted me all of the Prog!

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THRESHOLD — Extinct Instinct

Review by MANDRAKEROOT (Andrea Salvador)

4 stars PART OF THE CHAOS, FOREVER

"Extinct Instinct" did not be alone the first Threshold's album but also the first Prog Metal's album that I bought. Logical I is specially bound to this album.

It sets to music simple and directed it is the restrained one in this CD. Nevertheless it is also technical and exciting. What it hits it is a heaviness that remembers certain things of Black Sabbath filtrered however from solids measure of Yes and the voice of Damian Wilson that is very attractive. The better things are surely: "Exposed", "Eat The Unicorn", Forever" (excellent ballad), "Virtual Isolation", "Clear" and "Part Of The Chaos".

Not a masterpiece... But there it goes close.

For always yours, Mandrakeroot.



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CITY BOY — City Boy
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4 stars Came to Birmingham in 1975 and was taken to see City Boy at Barbarella's. Never looked back for the next two years. Loved the first two albums - still got them. Oddball Dance is simply magic, The Violin is one of the best romantic songs ever written.



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