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    Posted: December 14 2006 at 12:59
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Wow, how many members with Dream Theater as their nick are there in this site?

    
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Kamelot's The Black Halo is quite symphonic.
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Guitarist Tony McAlpine's side project with drummer Virgil Donati (cheesy band called Ring of Fire) has some orchestral (symphonic????) feel in it, but definitely far from being prog metal.
I have to agree with Ivan about Virgin Black being symphonic. Though I'm having second thoughts on wether they're prog or not. I still like VB anyways.
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The problem with this discussion is that the word "Symphonic" has two different meanings:

1. Keyboard-oriented, lush, artistic, occasional references to classical music
2. Orchestral, dominated by classical music influences

It's difficult to keep them apart - on my website I tried to use "Symphonic" for the first and "Orchestral" for the second, but it's not easy to always keep it in mind. The best solution would be to dump them and use the attributes that they're composed of instead.
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When someone puts the words "metal" and "symphonic" together I think of The Sham Mirrors by Arcturus. Generally this band is "black metal" or just "prog-metal", but The Sham Mirrors in particular sounds like quite the little ELP-influenced work. Just listen to those key-solo inserts.

I also think if you want to get technical, almost all progmetal bands are not symphonic, though there are exceptions. It's a very small "subgenre" or "tag" to use.
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Hold on there are a couple of symphonic prog-metal bands about 2 I can think of are Riverside and Wolverine.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

I like that bands, specially Symphony X, which I love. Anyway, I don't think they're Symphonic Prog Metal, they're POWER Prog Metal since there are a lot of Power Metal influences on their music, specially on the first Symphony X's albums.
The only pieces (from that bands) that can be considered 'Symphonic' are SX's epics "The Divine Wings Of Tragedy", "The Oddysey" and "Through The Looking Glass", being the most 'Symphonic' ones, IMO.


I assume you don't know V?

BTW: I think the best label to describe them is "Symphonic Progressive Power Metal".Smile


"V" is the only album from the band I haven't heard. Embarrassed And I know some people say it's their best, maybe it will come for Christmas.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ yes, why not simply use a randomly chosen sequence of words to describe music ...

Would you say that we should leave out the words "Prog" or "progressive" in general, or just for Power Metal?Wink
 
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^ yes, why not simply use a randomly chosen sequence of words to describe music ...

Would you say that we should leave out the words "Prog" or "progressive" in general, or just for Power Metal?Wink
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

I like that bands, specially Symphony X, which I love. Anyway, I don't think they're Symphonic Prog Metal, they're POWER Prog Metal since there are a lot of Power Metal influences on their music, specially on the first Symphony X's albums.
The only pieces (from that bands) that can be considered 'Symphonic' are SX's epics "The Divine Wings Of Tragedy", "The Oddysey" and "Through The Looking Glass", being the most 'Symphonic' ones, IMO.


I assume you don't know V?

BTW: I think the best label to describe them is "Symphonic Progressive Power Metal".Smile
 
BTW: Is the word "progressive" or "Prog" really required (and/or needed) in these labels??? 
 
Power-Prog-Metal sounds as descriptive as pop-prog to me...
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Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

I like that bands, specially Symphony X, which I love. Anyway, I don't think they're Symphonic Prog Metal, they're POWER Prog Metal since there are a lot of Power Metal influences on their music, specially on the first Symphony X's albums.
The only pieces (from that bands) that can be considered 'Symphonic' are SX's epics "The Divine Wings Of Tragedy", "The Oddysey" and "Through The Looking Glass", being the most 'Symphonic' ones, IMO.


I assume you don't know V?

BTW: I think the best label to describe them is "Symphonic Progressive Power Metal".Smile


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Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

I like that bands, specially Symphony X, which I love. Anyway, I don't think they're Symphonic Prog Metal, they're POWER Prog Metal since there are a lot of Power Metal influences on their music, specially on the first Symphony X's albums.
The only pieces (from that bands) that can be considered 'Symphonic' are SX's epics "The Divine Wings Of Tragedy", "The Oddysey" and "Through The Looking Glass", being the most 'Symphonic' ones, IMO.
The Divine Wings Of Tragedy and The Odyssey are the only albums of Symphony X that i like, that explains why i think they are playing Symphonic Progressive Metal.
If i have any spelling\grammar mistakes, ignore them. English is only my second language <_<

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I like that bands, specially Symphony X, which I love. Anyway, I don't think they're Symphonic Prog Metal, they're POWER Prog Metal since there are a lot of Power Metal influences on their music, specially on the first Symphony X's albums.
The only pieces (from that bands) that can be considered 'Symphonic' are SX's epics "The Divine Wings Of Tragedy", "The Oddysey" and "Through The Looking Glass", being the most 'Symphonic' ones, IMO.
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V by Symphony X has some quite symphonic elements and it is a highly enjoyable album for my ears.
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Aren't we confusing prog-metal with symphony orchestras or orchestral sounds with true SYMPHONIC-metal with quasi-symphonic structures ?
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There's a lot in this genre, just think of Therion. A good one is Koyaanisqatsy from Germany. Their first CD can be downloaded for free:
http://www.koyaanis-qatsy.de/ click on the word "Music"(next to the tree), and download the tracks... Great music...
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Wow, how many members with Dream Theater as their nick are there in this site?Confused
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Virgin Black is quite an interesting symphonic prog-metal band (expect to see them on the archives sometime soon, an ex-PMT member is working on their addition).
 
I often enjoy Symphonic Progressive Metal unless it is too cheesy. I think "Symphonic Progressive Metal" refers to any kind of Prog Metal, that is closer to 70's progressive rock and utilises orchestration and is more keyboard based. In that way, I think Arcturus's The Sham Mirrors can be called to be partly a Symphonic Prog Metal band, although, I've noticed the genre is more often associated with Traditional and Power bands, is it not? Any discussion is appreciated.
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I really like Savatage thoug they contain many power metal elements and I don't really know if they fit in this debate. I'm not too fond of bands with operatic female vocals like Nightwish or Therion.
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?????


try Mekong Delta (takes classical works and incorporates metal into them) - DT guy


the genre you listed and associated with bands doesn't fit...
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I don't see any symphonic elements here...
 
Most of these bands are great... I'm particularly fond of Symphony X... but there's no symphonic-prog to be found here.... Like most metal, it's mostly based on riffs, short themes, rhythm and virtuosity (just speed sometimes)... there's no "symphonic" treatment of themes a la true symphonic-prog (though that "symphonic" part we already discussed in a topic I started a while ago)
 
So they are great, but, at least those, nopt sympho.
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