Led Zeppelin?

Easy Livin wrote: In fact Mike, "The admins" have made very few decisions to date.   Led Zeppelin was approved by M@x (the site owner). The Admin team's only decisions to date have been to admit Iron Maiden, and to reject My Dying Bride. Rainbow were approved by M@x and the Admin team together. And that's the lot.   We have not "refused" the Doors, no one has asked us. Same goes for JP and BS.

Thanks for clarifying that. But by "admin decisions" I wasn't referring to you or any other member of the admin teams of progarchives. I was simply comparing collaborative decisions (majority vote) to those made by a minority (such as an admin, or a team of admins, or a team of collabs). And I certainly didn't mean to criticise anybody.

Easy Livin wrote: We don't admit "any band from any genre" on this site because it is dedicated to prog. The differences arise in people's perceptions of what prog is. For every one person who agrees with your implication that The Doors are equal to or above Led Zeppelin in terms of their prog (related) credentials, there will be someone else who thinks the opposite.

My opinion is irrelevant here, and I didn't state it. I was simply saying that there are many people who claim that The Doors should be here.

Easy Livin wrote:   The admin team will simply endeavour to ensure that any proposed prog-related additions meet the criteria of the definition of that category. We readily acknowledge that such a judgement will be subjective, but at least a decision will be reached.

That's precisely the point. On my website I avoid these decisions completely - it's a different system. I'm not implying that it's better, or that it's even good to start with. But I'm implementing it anyway ... we'll see what happens.

Easy Livin wrote:   Another side benefit of the process will be that we can ensure if necessary that there is not an overload of prog-related bands being added around the same time.

But that's also causing some problems ... by adding one band at a time you arouse those who favor the other bands. When Iron Maiden were added some people demanded that Judas Priest should be here if Iron Maiden are here, and they got turned down by SCs and admins, who kept talking about "that's not a reason to add bands" ...

Well, I don't have a problem with all of this ... I'm running my own little website and don't let anything bother me.


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - November 29 2006 at 20:40

^ Thanks. I'm not saying that my system is perfect ... I'm just removing the need for "admin decisions" and replace them with democratic voting. So there is no person or team to blame ... there are only members, all of them are equal.

Of course this means that the quality of the "collaborative decisions" depends on the quality of the votes. There are some quite peculiar genre assignments on my website, but some others which are quite accurate. The more users participate, the more accurate the system will be.

I thought about whether I should remove the prog-related thing from my website a few months ago ... then I realized: It just has a different meaning. It simply means "this is seen as non-prog by many people, but some consider it to be related to prog, and a few even put it on the same level".

In fact Mike, "The admins" have made very few decisions to date.

^ the only problems of the prog-related category here are that a) the artists are not properly separated from the prog artists and b) the admins make arbitrary decisions about which bands to add and which not. Example: Iron Maiden get added for no apparent reason (there are as many people in favor of adding Black Sabbath or Judas Priest), and then people asking for similar bands to be added are turned down. Now Led Zeppelin were added and the Doors are refused ... people don't understand it, and why should they - it makes no sense.

That's why on my website I accept any band from any genre - and while browsing the website people can simply filter out non-prog bands or albums, if they're so inclined. 

Philéas wrote: People! Remember! They are in the Prog Related category, a non-Prog category, so the site does not claim they are Prog, only slightly related to Prog.

Edited by Peter Rideout - November 29 2006 at 18:50

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Sorry for reacting late, but as some of you know I was away for professional reasons, so I missed the whole backlash of LZ's addition.

First of all, I'd be grateful if you could avoid using those huge fonts next time, as it makes reading difficult, as well as creating problems to those who have a a slow connection.

As to Japan... We have been discussing the matter in the Collabs section, but it seems most people are against the addition. Some have even suggested adding Human League and Visage if Japan are added... Therefore, I think it would be better for the time being to avoid throwing fuel on to the fire of controversy. Personally, as one half of the Art Rock team, I like the band and think they wouldn't be a bad addition at all (Micky is much less familiar with them, so he left the matter in my hands). In any case, I thank you for sending us the relevant material, which we hope may be used in the future.

I think this debate has run its course.

I guess this means there are going to be a lot of new prog fans in the world!

Good Call! They deserve to be here!