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MikeEnRegalia
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Topic: The dietetic room Posted: November 06 2006 at 09:31 |
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^ complete agreement about these things.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 09:23 | ||
Let’s come back to dietetic and health after this painful interlude. Here are a few more advices which are not related to the bloodgroup theory but complementary.
-Eat consciously. Eating consciously is almost as important as what you eat. Taking its time and concentrate on what you eat. Chewing well is very important as digestion begins in the mouth. -Breakfast : Avoid sugar at breakfast. Our pancreas is not ready to absorb sugar in the early morning and sugar is best assimilated later in the day. Fresh fruits and juices are to avoid in the morning cause there are too acid. Better go for dry fruits in the early morning, which contains slow sugar. On this point, english/german people with their solid salty breakfast are saner than us french with the coffee/croissant/orange juice unhealthy breakfast. -Biological products: -Fruits and vegetables: preferably biological to avoid chemical fertilizers and pesticids as well as "ionisation" -which is simply irradiation which destroy all vitamins-, we must eat as much fruits and vegetables as possible, in harmony with our blood's group. The best is to grow it when you have the luck to own a garden. -Same for meat and eggs which must be biological to avoid hormons and antibiotics and by respect to the animals. Edited by oliverstoned - November 06 2006 at 09:25 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 08:33 | ||
What exactly is mediocre about Kevin Gilbert - Shaming of the True? Sorry, but since you refuse to post this in the other thread, I'll post my response here.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 08:18 | ||
I don't do much distinction at this level of mediocrity. Or let's say i'm not connoisseur enough...sorry! |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 08:14 | ||
You're good at that, too.
I created a separate thread about it - feel free to tell me which albums you find particularly dreadful. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 08:01 | ||
I'm just tired about your constant harrassing.
Your review's list is simply frightening. About your additions i unfortunatly know the first, it doesn't make me want to know the second and i doesn't make me smile at all... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 07:30 | ||
^ I don't think that junk food is healthy ... and if people believe that the blood type diet is a good idea, then that's fine with me. I don't want to spoil your thread - if you read the first post from me in this thread again, then you'll see that all I wanted was to point out that not all people agree with it. If you think that you have to bash my musical preferences or the weeks of work that I put in my website in order to protect your diet, then that's your decision.
BTW: About my additions ... what about Mike Keneally and Tribal Tech? |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 07:16 | ||
I don't see much jazz in your review's list and the terrible additions you do.
And why do you allude to the trivial sites you "build"? Why can't you forget me for a while and go somewhere else? Create your "Junkfood" room. Edited by oliverstoned - November 06 2006 at 07:19 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 07:08 | ||
That's your theory, and it might very well be true ... or not. We don't know for sure.
That's a good suggestion anyway ... the more diverse the food is, the better.
I wonder what you know about my lifestyle ... you mean things like listening to Jazz, playing acoustic guitar or building non-profit websites? |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 06:53 | ||
The fact that some people eat various types of food and are in good health proves nothing. The blood theory optimizes metabolism, and so these people would be even better.
These people are in good health as long as they're young and maybe do sport...one day their organism becomes tired like mysticfred who doesn't stand red meat anymore... This said, if you never eat the same thing each day, you will not be poisoned by harmful aliments. BTW i'm not surprised you're a junkfood addict...it goes well with your lifestyle. Edited by oliverstoned - November 06 2006 at 07:04 |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 06:23 | ||
This "theory" has been based of years of experimentation, and that's even how it has been discovered. They made experimentation with dying patients and realized that hypotoxic diet (vegetables and no meat) was highly beneficial for some, and killed others. They studied thousands of patients like that and discovered the relationship with bloodgroups. Another huge and very simple fact is the acidity level of the stomach. O people have a high acidity level while A have a low level. That's why O people can digest well red meat and not A...meat rot in their digestive system and create a lot of toxins... You can ignore all these facts, like the empty arguments i saw on a few nutrition sites which for obvious reasons see their business threaten by this theory... Vegetarians on another hand who can't stand that this theory claims that some people (O) must eat meat to be in good health. I'm myself O, ex-vegetarian and i can understand them on an affective level, but i must admit that i feel much better now that i eat fish/meat again. I know numerous people who feel better than ever, now that they turn on the blood diet. |
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Neil
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 06:19 | ||
I am also rather sceptical having now read all the articles in this thread. I do not think that it is as black and white as "you are blood type x so you can only eat y & z". There is far more to the human make up than just blood type. There are many other factors to take into consideration. There is no doubt that some people are allergic to certain food groups and will feel much healthier if they don't eat them but it cannot be as simple as suggested by this diet.
One thing that is very true is the auto immune effect between different blood types. I know this because I am blood type O and an ex girlfriend was blood type A. When we considered children we were told by doctors that it was likely that the child would be blood group O and that it's existance in the womb would threaten the health of the mother (blood type A). The first child may be ok but once the immune response was in place further children could prove very hazardous to her health.
Something to bear in mind if you are female and blood group A or AB. Edited by Heavyfreight - November 06 2006 at 06:20 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 05:37 | ||
^ I have read various articles about the diet, but I simply cannot agree with the conclusions that are drawn from the facts. Of course there are blood types, and there are antigens/antibodies ... there can't be any arguing about that. But everything else is pure speculation ... a "wild goose chase", if you will.
The essence of the theory behind this diet is that the different blood types occured at different stages of the timeline of human evolution, and that therefore the eating habits of a person should match those that were common around the time when their blood type emerged. Problem 1: Scientists are still not sure which blood type came first - there is no way to find out, as there are no blood samples available from that time. There are some methods to *suggest* which blood type is probably the oldest, but unfortunately there are several theoris, all of which could be true. Problem 2: We can only speculate what people were eating back then. Problem 3: There is no proof of the bad effects of eating food that is not compatible with your blood type. Usually such proof can be easily found when you eat something which your body can't handle - you'll show signs of poisoning, or you'll simply throw up. Since you mention "antigen/antibody": a blood test shows how many of them are active in your blood, and there is no significant increase/decrease in antibody activity when you follow the diet or not (if there was, I'm sure that Dr. D'Adamo would present it to us). And even if the effects were even more subtle - most people in our society eat various food from all the different blood type suggestions, and many of them are in perfect health. That's a serious contradiction to your theory that eating the wrong food must by definition cause problems. A dog will die if you feed it chocolate - *that*'s what happens when an organism ingests food which it wasn't designed to digest *and* has a bad effect on the body. Edited by MikeEnRegalia - November 06 2006 at 05:54 |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 05:11 | ||
So you haven't read! --Blood Types and Health-- Our blood type is significant for our health because of three classes of chemicals—antigens, antibodies, and lectins. An antigen is any chemical that generates an antibody by the immune system in response to it. An antibody is a substance, an "immunoglobulin," made by cells of the immune system specifically to identify foreign material in the body of the host and to adhere to the foreign material. A lectin is any compound, usually a protein, found in nature, which can interact with surface antigens found on the body’s cells causing them to agglutinate or clump together. Antigens and antibodies As far as antigens are concerned, we each have a variety of our own that enable the immune system to decide whether a substance in the body is foreign or not. They are located on the cells of the body. Every form of life from the simplest virus to human beings has a unique set of antigens. In the human body one of the most powerful of these is the one that determines blood type. When the immune system senses a suspicious invader it looks first to the blood type antigen to decide whether or not it is friendly. Our blood type is named for the blood type antigen found on the red blood cells. Thus, type A has A antigen, type B has B antigen, type AB has both A and B antigens, and type O has no antigens. When a blood-type antigen senses that a foreign antigen has entered the system, it alerts the immune system to create antibodies to that antigen. Immune system cells manufacture these antibodies, which attach themselves to the foreign antigen for destruction. Over time we develop an increasing number of different antibodies. When an antibody meets the antigen of a bacteria or virus or parasite it causes the microorganism to become sticky or agglutinate. The organisms clump up and can be disposed of more easily. When a blood-type antigen senses that a foreign antigen has entered the system, it alerts the immune system to create antibodies to that antigen. Immune system cells manufacture these antibodies, which attach themselves to the foreign antigen for destruction. Besides detecting and destroying microbes and other invaders, there are other important aspects of blood-type antigens with their resulting antibodies. About a hundred years ago, an Austrian physician and scientist, Dr. Karl Landsteiner, discovered that blood types produced antibodies to other blood types. This explains why some people can exchange blood and others can’t. Thus, blood-type A carries antibodies against type B. Type B carries antibodies against type A. Type AB carries no antibodies against either type A or type B. Type O carries antibodies against both type A and type B. Anti-blood-type antibodies are extremely powerful and can clump (agglutinate) blood cells of the opposing type in seconds. Unlike most other antibodies that require some sort of stimulation, for example, vaccination or infection, for their production, blood-type antibodies appear automatically at birth and, by four months of age, have attained almost adult levels. In addition to blood-cell agglutination by anti-blood-type antibodies, it was found that many foods agglutinate the cells of certain blood types but not of others. A food that may be harmful to the cells of one blood type may be beneficial to the cells of another. Many of the antigens in these foods have A-like or B-like characteristics. This discovery led to the link between blood type and diet. Lectins Which brings us to lectins. Lectins are abundant proteins, found in foods. Their agglutinating properties affect blood and other tissues, organs, and body systems. If you eat a food that has protein lectins that are incompatible with your blood-type antigen, they attack an organ or system and begin to agglutinate cells in that area. Many food lectins are close enough to a certain blood-type antigen so as to make that food detrimental to another type. For example, milk has B-like qualities. If a type A drinks milk, agglutination begins immediately to reject it. Cells in the target area are clumped together and destroyed. However, there is some protection from lectins. Our immune system actually sloughs off 95% of the lectins in our food. The other 5% can cause problems if a particular blood type is reactive. Lectins are abundant proteins, found in foods. Their agglutinating properties affect blood and other tissues, organs, and body systems. If you eat a food that has protein lectins that are incompatible with your blood-type antigen, they attack an organ or system and begin to agglutinate cells in that area. General Comments In addition to diet, Dr. D’Adamo’s book includes sections, under each blood type, about stress/exercise, meal planning, supplements, weight loss, and personality. At this time I will consider the broad aspects of diet and exercise. The details of these and the other actors are nicely discussed in Dr. D’Alamo’s book, which I strongly advise reading. There are some variations within each type because of size and weight of various peoples as well as geographic variation. Also, people from different cultures and races don’t always have the same frequency of the gene. For example, one type A person may be AA if both parents were A, another may be AO, if one parent was O. Food suggestions As to diet, foods are classified into beneficial, neutral, and avoid. These are further classified into fifteen types of foods—meat, fish, oils, nuts, beans, cereals, breads, vegetables, fruits, juices, condiments, etc. Following are a few examples of the three basic classifications for each blood type. Further reading will give the reader all the details. Type O Highly Beneficial: Beef, lamb, liver, eggs, salmon, whitefish, olive and flaxseed oils, onions, kale, garlic, spinach, plums and prunes, pineapple juice, to mention a few. Neutral: Chicken, turkey, bass, shrimp, lobster, butter, goat cheese, cod. liver oil, almonds, pecans, string beans, rice, rye bread, many vegetables, most fruits, most juices, most spices, mustard, mayonnaise, chamomile tea, beer, red and white wine, plus many other items. Avoid: Pork, ham, bacon, catfish, lox, milk, goat milk, cheese, peanuts, cashews, navy beans, lentils, wheat, oats, corn, white potato, cabbage, olives, oranges, honeydew melons, strawberries, apple juice, orange juice, vinegar, black peppers, ketchup, coffee (even decaffeinated), tea, and sodas. Type O‘s have a hardy digestive tract and thrive on animal protein. Organic, free range meats are preferable. Type A Highly Beneficial: Rainbow trout, sea trout, whitefish, salmon, soya cheese, soy milk, olive and flaxseed oils, peanuts, lentils, black eyed peas, buckwheat, amaranth, Ezekial bread, rice cakes, broccoli, carrots, kale, spinach and many other vegetables, apricots, grapefruit, pineapple, juice of these fruits, ginger, garlic, mustard, rose hips tea, coffee, red wine, and green tea. Neutral: Chicken, turkey, ocean perch, sea bass, swordfish, goat cheese, yogurt, kefir, cod liver oil, almonds, filberts, macadamia nuts, green peas , snap beans, rice, corn flakes, gluten-free bread, wild rice, spelt noodles, cauliflower, celery, corn, apples, grapes, melons, peaches, pears, apple and grape juice, very many spices, pickles, jelly, dandelion tea, senna tea, and white wine. Avoid: All red meats, anchovy, catfish, clam, American cheese, cottage cheese, brie, buttermilk, corn oil, peanut oil, brazil nuts, cashews, navy beans, kidney beans, red beans, grapenuts, shredded wheat, granola, whole wheat bread, white and whole wheat flour, cabbage, all potatoes, bananas, oranges, tomatoes, black pepper, catnip tea, beer, and distilled liquor. Type A’s flourish on somewhat more vegetarian diets. Type B Highly Beneficial: Lamb, rabbit, venison, cod, halibut, salmon, cottage cheese, goat milk, skim milk, olive oil, navy beans, oatmeal, puffed rice, Ezekiel bread, rice, kale, cabbage, carrots, and many other vegetables, bananas, grapes, pineapple, grape juice, cranberry juice, cayenne pepper, ginger, rose hips tea, and green tea. Neutral: Beef, liver, turkey, whitefish, catfish, white perch, buttermilk, Monterey Jack, cod liver oil, flax oil, pecans, walnuts, white beans, snap beans, grape nuts, granola, gluten-free bread, oat bran muffins, quinoa, brown and white rice, garlic, cucumber, white potatoes, and very many other vegetables, apples, peaches pears, apricot juice, orange juice, most spices, mayonnaise, mustard, many herbal teas, coffee, and red and white wine. Avoid: Bacon, ham, chicken, duck, pork, shrimp, lobster, anchovy, American cheese, ice cream, peanut oil, safflower oil, peanuts, cashews, filberts, lentils, pinto beans, wheat cereals, corn flakes, multigrain bread, rye bread, buckwheat, couscous, yellow corn, all olives, coconuts, rhubarb, tomato, black pepper, ketchup, senna tea, distilled liquor, and cola. This type diet represents "the best of the animal and vegetable kingdoms." Type AB Highly Beneficial: Lamb, rabbit, turkey, salmon, mackerel, sardine, cottage cheese, goat milk, olive oil, peanuts, walnuts, chestnuts, navy beans, green lentils, oatmeal, Essene and Ezekial bread, rye crisp, white and brown rice, broccoli, celery, kale, garlic, grapes, figs, pineapple, grape juice, carrot juice, horseradish, ginger tea, hawthorn tea, rose hips tea, coffee, and green tea. Neutral: Liver, pheasant, catfish, carp, sole, snapper, skim milk, soy milk, cheddar cheese, peanut oil, cod liver oil, cashews, almonds, brazil nuts, green beans, northern beans, domestic lentils, grapenuts, seven grains, cream of rice, whole wheat bread, multigrain bread, couscous, quinoa, asparagus, carrots, red cabbage, white potatoes, and many other vegetables, apples, peaches, pears, various melons, apple juice, pineapple juice, prune juice, very many spices, mustard, mayonnaise, jelly from appropriate fruits, catnip tea, peppermint tea, beer, red and white wine. Avoid: Anchovy, sea bass, lobster, haddock, lox, bacon, beef, pork, veal, venison, ice cream, whole milk, buttermilk, sherbet, corn oil safflower oil, filberts, sesame seeds, lima beans, garbanzo beans, kidney beans, kamut, buckwheat kasha, lima beans, all white and yellow corn, red and yellow peppers, bananas, oranges, rhubarb, white vinegar, cayenne pepper, ketchup, relish, fenugreek tea, senna tea, distilled liquor, diet and other sodas. Exercise Suggestions The amount and type of exercise recommended is related to how different blood types respond to stress. Each type attempts to overcome stress through a distinct, genetically programmed instinct. The ancient hunter ancestors of type O’s had an immediate, physical response to stress that goes directly to muscles. With a physical release at this time a positive effect may come from a bad stress. Type O’s then are suited for intense, physical exercise. The ancient hunter ancestors of type O’s had an immediate, physical response to stress that goes directly to muscles. With a physical release at this time a positive effect may come . . . The type A person reacts to the alarm stage of stress intellectually, producing anxiety and irritability. As the stress continues, the immune system is affected, leading to further problems. These negative effects of stress can be countered by quieting techniques such as yoga or meditation. Other quieting type exercises like hiking, swimming, and bicycling are also helpful. The type B response to stress is a balance of types A and O. The physical response of type O and the nervous and mental response of type A complement one another very nicely allowing type B to respond very well to stress. Moderate activities that involve other people, such as group hiking or biking, Tai Chi, tennis, and aerobics classes. Type AB’s respond to the initial stage of stress intellectually much like type A’s. Exercises that provide calm and focus bring relief. This type would benefit from moderate, isotonic exercise like hiking, swimming, and bicycling done even vigorously. Hatha yoga, Tai Chi, Aikido, and golf are other good exercises. Conclusion Specific guidelines for each blood type regarding specific exercises, with time and frequency, are beautifully outlined in Dr. D’Adamo’s book. The same is true for dietary guidelines as well as the other elements of a blood-type plan. Hopefully, the information contained herein will motivate the reader to think about these ideas and, working with one’s individual health practitioner, decide whether or not to implement all or parts of them into one’s lifestyle. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 04:16 | ||
^ my overweight comes from pizza, chinese food, chocolate and ice cream ... starting today I'm on a diet, and I'll just reduce fat and carbohydrates.
BTW: I wasn't trying to contradict *you* ... I was just pointing out that there are many people who don't think that the blood type diet is a good idea - for various reasons. So far I haven't heard anything remotely scientific from you about the diet - just the typical point "I know someone who tried the diet and recovered from a disease, so the diet *must* be working", which you also apply to audiophile systems, drugs and astrology. All I'm asking is that you accept people who beg to differ ... badmouthing them will not server your cause (to promote the diet). |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 03:40 | ||
As in the "Tech talk" section, you desperately try to
contradict me and you were waiting for someone to disagree to attack. I was expecting it cause you're very predictable. There's not the smallest argument in your message as in the link provided, whereas the blood theory is based on a solid scientifical basis (see up). I understand that this revolutionary theory raises protests from nutrisionists who loose their job with the Dr D'adamo's book and also from vegetarians who can't admit that O people must eat meat to stay in good health. The calcium point is STUPID as it's PROVED and ADMITTED that there's as much calcium in fruits and vegetables than in cow milk ( i think you allude to that)and broccoli and parsley contain even more, for example. On another hand, cow milk is poisonous for human since the age of 3, cause our organism doesn't produce a certain substance which allows to digest it. Lactose is now widely recognized as being harmful. I was told that you suffer from overweight, you should better get rid of your pride for one time, follow the diet and see if it works. Unless you prefer to stay fat all your life. Edited by oliverstoned - November 06 2006 at 03:41 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 02:50 | ||
I don't agree at all with these dubious theories. Of course it all looks quite convincing when you only show one side of the medal ... so please allow me to post a critical opinion here:
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/diet/blood_group_diet.htm Excerpt: "What do the experts say? Medical experts universally agree that the theory is nonsense, and say there is absolutely no link between our blood group and the diet we eat. Consequently you won’t find qualified nutritionists or dietitians recommending this diet. There are also several concerns, namely that the diets recommended for blood groups O and A are considerably limited and cut out major groups of foods.
In the long term, this can result in a poor intake of nutrients needed for good health. Cutting out dairy products, for example, will lead to poor intakes of calcium, which can put you at risk of osteoporosis (brittle bone disease), while avoiding meat can result in low intakes of iron, which can lead to anaemia. This is even more worrying in view of the fact that most people in the UK are blood group O or A." |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 02:14 | ||
I'm a bit suspicious about your story as well!
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Dalezilla
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 14:21 | ||
I'm a bit suspicious. My mom's a nurse and she knows a girl whose parents only give her the appropriate food for her blood type and she's not doing very well. Her condition has gotten so bad that she might die if they don't stop this diet.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 11:43 | ||
You're welcome. Thanks Dr D'adamo as well!
Edited by oliverstoned - November 05 2006 at 12:45 |
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