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Stefanovic
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Topic: What band would you remove from the archi Posted: November 03 2006 at 17:52 |
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richardh
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 17:49 |
Queen
...even if Muse sound like them
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DallasBryan
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 18:51 |
100% of the CRAP!
90% of the NEO-PROG bands
80% of the PROTO-PROG/PROG RELATED bands
70% of the PROG METAL bands
60% of the AVANT JAZZ FUSION bands
50% of the 3rd/4th TIER CANTERBURY bands
40% of the 90's bands
30% of the 80's bands
20% of the BORING SYMPHONIC PROG bands
10% of the JAPANESE band
0% of the TRULY PROGRESSIVE BANDS
Edited by DallasBryan - November 02 2006 at 18:53
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lucas
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 16:36 |
Not progressive in essence :
Deep purple
Iron Maiden
Queen
The Beatles
But I agreee they had an influence on progressive rock/metal bands
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Philéas
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 05:44 |
Yes.
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UtUmNo1
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 04:59 |
You know what they say about them though.....
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Philéas
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 04:55 |
Opinions can't be wrong.
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 01:01 |
Philéas wrote:
We can apply the example you give without having those influential
bands included on the site. We can write articles about them and how
they influenced Progressive Music. We all know classical music
influenced Prog, yet no classical composers can be found on the site.
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What Classical Music being prog or proto-prog again? Isn't it plain obvious that it isn't a matter of influence or predisposition, but a situation of different artistic styles?! Or do we all just, in a constant and unchanged way, tell our opinion, no matter how wrong it is?
Edited by Ricochet - November 02 2006 at 01:01
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UtUmNo1
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 00:54 |
Maybe the question should have been,
"What artist(s) do not belong in the archives, in your opinion.
Thereby removing any hint of 'removal' or critisicm of the site's administrators/reviewers/people who decide such things as who gets added etc.
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Philéas
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 14:24 |
Well since I appear to be getting nowhere fast, I'll accept the fact
that the owners do whatever they want to with their site. But I still
think they're doing it the wrong way. However, there are many good
sides to Prog Archives aswell, I'll just focus on them and pretend that
Prog Related and Proto-Prog never happened, or something...
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salmacis
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 13:36 |
Well I don't agree with removing bands. There are a few here that I wouldn't necessarily agree with- ELO, Fairport Convention, Triumph- but then, all of those are in prog related and HAVE done prog tracks. I think a key phrase is 'prog is in the ear of the beholder'.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 00:48 |
Philéas wrote:
We can apply the example you give without having those influential
bands included on the site. We can write articles about them and how
they influenced Progressive Music. We all know classical music
influenced Prog, yet no classical composers can be found on the site.
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Classical Composers that influenced progressive rock were never rock artists were they? The keyword here is Progressive Rock.
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 00:45 |
Yes
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Frank Zappa
Dream Theater
Univers Zero
Mike Patton
Pendragon
IQ
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
Kansas
Not prog enough.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 01 2006 at 00:31 |
I assume the reason those bands were considered and included is because this site is striving to be a comprehensive and history-minded place rather than just pure prog only. Besides, there are plenty prog rock sites that don't and will never feature Zep or Maiden or Purple.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: October 31 2006 at 21:26 |
mystic fred wrote:
Philéas wrote:
Every band in Proto-Prog and Prog Related ought to go in my opinion. Shame I can't make it happen... I will have to start a site of my own. |
Good idea - i will visit your new site and ask......"where are The Beatles, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Queen and Wishbone Ash?" they were important to the development of Prog and should be here - you're only showing half the picture!!
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Classical music influenced many prog bands as much as the Beatles and such. Do you really want to see Mozart listed here under proto-prog. I agree with Phileas. The whole proto-prog and prog related sections have to go. If they're not prog, then why should they be on this site. And now that Led Zeppelin is apparently getting in it looks like nearly anything can get in if enough people like it. Maybe we could do forum "petition signings" on the site. Like, if 100 senior members petition for a band to go, the admins think about getting rid of it. I know that's not going to happen, but just an idea.
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blbx93
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 20:30 |
The beatles and queen both deserve a place here. However half of their albums are not prog in the slight bit. Queen II and A Night at the Opera, as well as Abbey Road and Sgt. Peppers surely deserve their spot.
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NutterAlert
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 09:04 |
who else but.......... Genesis
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 08:58 |
Philéas wrote:
bhikkhu wrote:
Ok, here is your argument. I like to know the origins,
and that is one of the reasons I came to this site. That also includes
finding out about the bands that are being referenced. I would be
unsatisfied if there was only a blurb in an article. I want the same
amount of info as other bands. If they are important enough to discuss,
they deserve equal treatment. |
That's more like it! I see your point, and I must admit that it is
pretty strong. But really, how hard would it be to look up those
influential bands and records on sites like allmusic.com or wikipedia
instead? Most of them are fairly well-known, so finding information
wouldn't be such a big problem. As for the lesser known ones, there
isn't much more information avaliable here than anywhere else.
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On a general site, they are treated like any other artist. Here, it is in a prog context. We could look up any band here on another site, couldn't we?
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Philéas
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Posted: October 29 2006 at 15:42 |
bhikkhu wrote:
Ok, here is your argument. I like to know the origins,
and that is one of the reasons I came to this site. That also includes
finding out about the bands that are being referenced. I would be
unsatisfied if there was only a blurb in an article. I want the same
amount of info as other bands. If they are important enough to discuss,
they deserve equal treatment. |
That's more like it! I see your point, and I must admit that it is
pretty strong. But really, how hard would it be to look up those
influential bands and records on sites like allmusic.com or wikipedia
instead? Most of them are fairly well-known, so finding information
wouldn't be such a big problem. As for the lesser known ones, there
isn't much more information avaliable here than anywhere else.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 29 2006 at 15:16 |
bhikkhu wrote:
Ok, here is your argument. I like to know the origins, and that is one of the reasons I came to this site. That also includes finding out about the bands that are being referenced. I would be unsatisfied if there was only a blurb in an article. I want the same amount of info as other bands. If they are important enough to discuss, they deserve equal treatment. |
I agree with you HT, we need to understand the historicall events that lead to something diffenernt:
Those that don't learn from the past, are doomed to fail again
Why did Prog evolved to what we love? We will only understand the phenomenom if we know the history and Proto Prog is part off it.
If a band is here in any sub-genre or category, it must receive the same treatment as all the others.
Iván
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